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The Leftwing of the Democratic Party has now rallied to support a confiscatory tax on wealth. This is so clearly contrary to the letter & spirit of the Constitution as to make it a sort of ultimate showdown issue between the America that brought us to the Twentieth Century as the most successful political venture in history, and where our internal enemies have been trying to take us, over the past century.
1 posted on 03/01/2019 10:04:04 AM PST by Ohioan
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To: Ohioan

We need instead to end the income tax.


2 posted on 03/01/2019 10:05:55 AM PST by polymuser (It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged today. - Chesterton)
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It won't help. The extremely wealthy will do what Bill Gates did. He formed a tax-exempt foundation and is moving his MS stock into it at today's value. Bill will never have to realize the gain of $80 billion and will never have to pay any estate taxes on the value of his property.

But he IS still free to whine about not paying enough in taxes. BTW, Warren Buffett is doing EXACTLY the same thing.

3 posted on 03/01/2019 10:09:25 AM PST by Sgt_Schultze (When your business model depends on slave labor, you're always going to need more slaves.)
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To: Ohioan

Now they want to tax the taxes!


4 posted on 03/01/2019 10:14:54 AM PST by monkeyshine
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To: Ohioan

Yes, a wealth tax is unconstitutional. When has that ever stopped the demcoRATS?

The key litmus test in this is: will those wealthy “donors” to the democRATS and specifically Injun Warren, be willing to pay this tax willingly? I suggest they they aren’t because Injun Warren is having trouble raising money for her campaign advocating this.

In France where they have such a tax, what sort of effect has it had on their wealthiest citizens, and what percentage have departed with their wealth to locales out of the reach of this tax?


6 posted on 03/01/2019 10:15:54 AM PST by Ouderkirk (Life is about ass, you're either covering, hauling, laughing, kicking, kissing, or behaving like one)
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To: Ohioan; wardaddy; Pelham; DiogenesLamp; Dick Bachert; GSWarrior; John S Mosby
This is an issue that the Left will mistakenly---because appeals to envy are their staple--think gives them an advantage; but it really does not, if one knows how to handle them. Properly approached, we can mop up the floor with their forked tongued lies.

The President has already sounded the clarion call against Socialism--for example, at the State of the Union. Let's take it up to a purpose.

8 posted on 03/01/2019 10:21:54 AM PST by Ohioan
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Ignorant, Irresponsible or Insane?

How about criminally deliberately evil? When and if a wealth tax passes then it's time to start thinning the ranks of Democrats.

14 posted on 03/01/2019 10:33:17 AM PST by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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Do they think the wealthy will just sit idly by as DemocRats rob them? This is the quickest way to drive the wealthy, who pay nearly half the income tax, out of the country.


15 posted on 03/01/2019 10:33:46 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Being woke means you can be nasty, hateful and use racist slurs yet feel morally superior.)
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Never happen.

As desperate as the government is for money to support the growing gibsmedats programs, "wealth" is where the elite of both parties protect their money and assets from the confiscatory taxes they impose on everyone.

16 posted on 03/01/2019 10:36:41 AM PST by glennaro
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To: Ohioan; All
"Yet nothing could be clearer than the fact that a Federal tax on wealth is totally contrary to both the letter & spirit of the Constitution of the United States."

Thanks for posting Ohioan. And with all due respect to your statement, please consider the following.

Noting that many of the delegates to the Constitutional Convention were wealthy, when the delegates ratified the Constitution they put their money where their mouths were by committing themselves and their rich friends to uniquely pay to run the new federal government. This is evidence by the following excerpt from rich man Thomas Jefferson’s writings.

The rich alone use imported articles, and on these alone the whole taxes of the General Government are levied [emphasis added]. … Our revenues liberated by the discharge of the public debt, and its surplus applied to canals, roads, schools, etc., the farmer will see his government supported, his children educated, and the face of his country made a paradise by the contributions of the rich alone, without his being called on to spend a cent from his earnings.” —Thomas Jefferson to Thaddeus Kosciusko, 1811.

But also note that first half 19th century state sovereignty-respecting Supreme Court justices had clarified the following about Congress’s limited power to appropriate taxes.

"Congress is not empowered to tax for those purposes which are within the exclusive province of the States."—Justice John Marshall, Gibbons v. Ogden, 1824.


In other words, the Court had clarified that Congress is allowed to appropriate taxes only for what it can justify under its constitutional Article I, Section 8-limited powers and a few other minor constitutionally enumerated expenses.

In fact, one of the reasons that the Founding States established the federal Senate was so that senators could protect their states from federal overreach by killing bills that not only steal unique state powers, but also steal state revenues uniquely associated with those powers indicated by the Gibbons excerpt above.

This is also why the founders had given the power to vote for senators uniquely to state law makers, not to ordinary citizens.

Also note that a constitutional lawmaker and a Supreme Court justice had clarified that the Founding States had left the care of the people to states, not the federal government.

The reason that corrupt Congress is now taxing and spending for all kinds of things that it can clearly not justify under its Section 8-limited powers is the following.

The early 20th century Progressive Movement spooked low-information voters into pressuring state lawmakers to ratify the ill-conceived 17th Amendment. State lawmakers caved, foolishly giving up the voices of the state legislatures in Congress by doing so.

So now the corrupt, popularly elected Senate works in cahoots with the likewise corrupt House to pass unconstitutional bills that steal state powers and state revenues, state revenues stolen by means of unconstitutional federal taxes.

What patriots need to do about unconstitutional federal taxes is to support PDJT in leading the states to repeal the 16th and ill-conceived 17th Amendments.

17 posted on 03/01/2019 10:37:22 AM PST by Amendment10
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Double taxation - taxed when you make it, taxed when you keep it - something about no taxation without representation - maybe if you’re going to get taxed twice, you get two votes - let’s see how that flies......


20 posted on 03/01/2019 10:40:05 AM PST by Intolerant in NJ
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a Federal tax on wealth is totally contrary to both the letter & spirit of the Constitution of the United States.

Confiscatory taxation and taxes on the rich:

Mass prosperity requires economic progress, which requires a pro-capitalistic political program, which requires rationality, natural rights, including private property rights, capital accumulation, and technological progress and advances.

The total abolition of the personal and corporate income taxes and of the inheritance tax is an essential feature of a pro-capitalist political program. It is required by the individual’s right to his own property. In addition, progress toward the abolition of these taxes helps to create the conditions required for economic progress, by increasing economic incentives, and the ability to save, both of which serve to promote capital accumulation, and thus a rising productivity of labor and rising average real wage rates.

23 posted on 03/01/2019 10:51:12 AM PST by mjp ((pro-{God, reality, reason, egoism, individualism, natural rights, limited government, capitalism}))
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What’s new? Our graduated income tax system introduced in 1913 with the 16th Amendment is a tax on wealth. So is the means tested Medicare Part B tier system that bases premiums on income.


26 posted on 03/01/2019 11:00:12 AM PST by kabar
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Te Leftwing’’ of the Democrat Party? You mean they have a right wing?


30 posted on 03/01/2019 11:20:29 AM PST by jmacusa ("The more numerous the laws the more corrupt the government''.)
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Honestly, I think a wealth tax is more honest than an income tax for the following reason: the income tax protects the power of those with established wealth and acts as a gatekeeper, suppressing the nouveau-riche and making it hard for them to reach established wealth status. Thus, a wealth tax would attack the established elite as opposed to rising entrepreneurs and brilliant young business people who are generating huge incomes.

As a result, an outright "wealth tax" has zero chance of actually passing because the left holds an extraordinary amount of the wealth in this country already. The income tax serves their purpose perfectly.
31 posted on 03/01/2019 11:26:47 AM PST by Antoninus ("In Washington, swamp drain you.")
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Here iss another excerpt that begins to get into the essential argument:

Has any nation achieved such purposes by confiscating the material accomplishments of its most productive citizens, after they had already been taxed when those accomplishments were first accumulated? Does any socially inclined species, with a modicum of intelligence, seek to advance by tearing down its high achievers? Do you secure the Blessings of Liberty for your posterity by punishing the most successful of any generation?

Do those who wish to confiscate accumulations of great wealth, understand the self-sustaining mechanism, which provides decent employment for those not born with exceptional skills; that America thrived, as Great Britain had once thrived (before her stupid & disastrous acceptance of forced redistribution), precisely because she did not sabotage the accumulation of great wealth before ratification of the XVIth Amendment in 1913?

37 posted on 03/01/2019 1:31:21 PM PST by Ohioan
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The Dems are really pushing their luck. If they’re successful implementing elements of their radical Leftist agenda, it won’t end well for them.


42 posted on 03/02/2019 3:03:59 PM PST by windsorknot
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Fine tax it all away and when it’s gone it’s gone forever, then what will the Left do?


49 posted on 03/06/2019 12:47:32 PM PST by Captain Peter Blood
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Wealth, property, income, imports, exports, any and all monetary transactions, kids, dogs, cats and rainbows - TAX THEM ALL!   90% sounds about right.

The beast is not going to feed itself. Lets get this show on the road.


55 posted on 03/07/2019 1:31:29 PM PST by Garth Tater (What's mine is mine.)
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