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The ‘Ethics’ of Trump’s Border Wall - A wall would cause harm to immigrants and refugees
NY Times ^ | 01.30.19 | Cardinal Joseph W. Tobin

Posted on 01/30/2019 7:13:35 PM PST by Coleus

The ‘Ethics’ of Trump’s Border Wall

A wall would cause harm to immigrants and refugees, all of whom are equal to us in the eyes of God.

Is the border wall ethical? President Trump has suggested the wall is moral and those who oppose it immoral. His critics claim the opposite.

To answer this, we have to consider its effect on humans. What harm could a border wall cause to immigrants and refugees, all of whom are equal to us in the eyes of God?

Some people who cross the border are in desperate search of work to support their families. A wall would probably drive them into more remote areas of the desert or mountains, possibly to their deaths, as the forces driving them — violence, persecution and extreme poverty — are more life threatening than a risky border crossing. In fact, close to 8,000 migrants have died in Arizona and parts of Texas since the construction of the San Diego and El Paso sectors of the wall in the mid-1990s.

The latest arrivals at our border are primarily asylum seekers from the Northern Triangle of Central America, who, when they cross the border and ask for protection, are in compliance with both our domestic and our international laws — the Refugee Act of 1980 and the 1951 United Nations Refugee Convention and its 1967 protocols.

A wall would prevent asylum seekers from asking for protection at any point along our border — their right under the law — and would leave many of them at the mercy of drug cartels and other criminal groups in northern Mexico. More humane ways to achieve border security can be found to avoid these harmful consequences, through technology, additional legal avenues for entry and policies that address the factors pushing migration.

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To: Coleus

What nonsense!

‘.....A wall would cause harm to immigrants and refugees, all of whom are equal to us in the eyes of God.......”

What right does anyone have to live in the country of their choice.


81 posted on 01/30/2019 10:37:02 PM PST by Robert357 ( Dan Rather was discharged as "medically unfit" on May 11, 1954.)
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To: Lurker

The guy is fully supportive of illegals being here and those yet getting here. e’s been speaking like this for years when you check his history.


82 posted on 01/30/2019 10:56:16 PM PST by caww
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To: Coleus

Jesus obeyed the law.

Even the one that condemned him to die for a crime he didn’t commit.


83 posted on 01/30/2019 11:11:18 PM PST by Tzimisce
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To: Coleus

The NYT supports “The Great Replacement” because it will mean Democrat party control of the U.S. govt forever.

California/Calizuela is the model for every other state.


84 posted on 01/31/2019 3:58:04 AM PST by Travis McGee (EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Coleus

Hey Cardinal....stick to your knitting. I just bet you LOVE your Fellow MURDERING of BABIES Democrat friends, don’t you?


85 posted on 01/31/2019 3:59:22 AM PST by Ann Archy (Abortion....... The HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Coleus

Hey Cardinal - get your church to release a few billion of its massive wealth to help them poor folks - or shut up and go away...


86 posted on 01/31/2019 4:13:29 AM PST by trebb (Don't howl about illegal leeches while not donating to FR - it's hypocritical.)
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To: Lurker

I skimmed the top 50 or so comments.

It’s pretty amazing that even in the Leftist NYT, the debate is about 50-50.


87 posted on 01/31/2019 4:13:36 AM PST by Travis McGee (EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Coleus

We need more parishioners! The NYT is such a great forum to Cardinalsplain.


88 posted on 01/31/2019 4:17:04 AM PST by windsorknot
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To: Coleus

Pope Francis tear down this wall!

R.R at Vatican City.

5.56mm


89 posted on 01/31/2019 4:25:05 AM PST by M Kehoe (DRAIN THE SWAMP! BUILD THE WALL!)
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To: shelterguy

“Immigrants and refugees come through ports of entry and legal channels”

That leads to the point. The legal channels control the number and quality of the immigrants.

Too many unfiltered immigrants would ruin us. What’s the point in that?


90 posted on 01/31/2019 4:46:35 AM PST by cymbeline
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To: Coleus

These so-called religionists seem to forget that Revelation 21 says New Jerusalem has “a great and high wall, with twelve gates..” Does that make God immoral? I’m pretty sure God is very choosey about who gets in.


91 posted on 01/31/2019 4:55:16 AM PST by New Jersey Realist ( (Be Nice To Your Kids. They Will Pick Out Your Nursing Home))
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To: Coleus

A wall would cause harm to illegal immigrants and fake refugees - as it should. God wants those people to come to repentance, not to continue to benefit from criminal and dishonest behavior.

The Wall would help those who come here legally and would (with the Wall) avoid the taint of presumed criminal entry into our country. It would help those who come as genuine refugees and would (with the Wall) avoid the taint of lying to get in to our country. Build the Wall. Deport all illegals. No exceptions.


92 posted on 01/31/2019 5:02:51 AM PST by Pollster1 ("Governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed")
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To: Coleus

By this argument, mountains are unethical and thus God must be unethical for creating mountains.

JoMa


93 posted on 01/31/2019 5:49:54 AM PST by joma89
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To: Coleus

“A wall would cause harm to immigrants and refugees”

As if I could not like the idea of border closing any more than I did already!


94 posted on 01/31/2019 6:14:37 AM PST by crusher (GREEN: Globaloney for the Gullible)
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To: Coleus

Hmmm, cause harm to illegals or invite them to cause harm to us? Which should we choose? Hmmm! This is a stumper!


95 posted on 01/31/2019 6:19:15 AM PST by Albion Wilde ("A wall, not because we hate the people outside of it, but because we love the people inside.")
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To: Coleus

So will cutting off welfare and enforcing e-verify. Or anything that prevents their getting on the U.S. gravy train.


96 posted on 01/31/2019 6:58:58 AM PST by JimRed ( TERM LIMITS, NOW! Build the Wall Faster! TRUTH is the new HATE SPEECH.)
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To: Coleus

He should tell God how immoral He was for having Nehemiah rebuild Jerusalem’s wall.


97 posted on 01/31/2019 7:36:18 AM PST by tbpiper
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To: Lurker

I wonder if he has a lock on the door to his residence?


98 posted on 01/31/2019 7:40:54 AM PST by ActresponsiblyinVA
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To: Jane Long

In a sane world, Congress would be declaring a war against Mexico using these stats as a national security crisis.

We went to war in 1941 with Germany and Japan simultaneously for less reason and under the leadership of a socialist democrat president.


99 posted on 01/31/2019 8:29:54 AM PST by TADSLOS (Who will be our John Brown?)
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To: Albion Wilde

yea, the Catholic Church forgets why we have an MS-13 problem, because the church was the cause of all this by advocating for the U.S. to allow them to come here.


100 posted on 01/31/2019 9:33:04 AM PST by Coleus (Vivat Jesus)
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