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It is also worth noting that federal workers face a 0.2 percent chance of getting fired in a given year. That is more than 45 times lower than their private sector counterparts. In some cases, it takes the effort from four different agencies to fire federal employees, and the process often takes years, even in simple cases. This shield protects public employees who are cited for malfeasance or incompetence. Meanwhile, a Brookings Institution study found that 65 percent of federal employees think job security is more important than helping the public, while only 30 percent think their organization does a good job disciplining poor performers.

Moreover, the entire media narrative that essential employees are “working without pay” is a lie. They are guaranteed to be paid after the shutdown, so they are working for deferred compensation. And, those non-essential employees are getting a paid vacation! The need to finance a few weeks (or, depending on Democrats, months) of income every few years, secure in the knowledge that the income will be paid on a delayed basis, is a tradeoff that I would gladly make in return for guarantees of a job paying much higher than in the private sector, and with gold plated perks.

1 posted on 01/21/2019 6:45:18 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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Is there free beer?


2 posted on 01/21/2019 6:49:24 AM PST by budj (combat vet, 2nd of 3 generations)
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I have as much sympathy for the General Schedule federal employees as they have had for me.

None.


3 posted on 01/21/2019 6:50:25 AM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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Here here !

On the flip side i know a lot of low- income elderly who i am concerned about in terms of food stamps. I really hope they don’t use these people as hostages.


4 posted on 01/21/2019 6:50:38 AM PST by Celerity
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Me neither.
No one cried for me or reported wall to wall when I was forced to go on strike by a Union I never agreed with or any other folks that were put out of work for way too many other reasons and no go their own doing
It sucks to think your untouchable and then one day Baam!!!!
Boo Whoo Whooo


5 posted on 01/21/2019 6:51:01 AM PST by Bell Bouy II
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Non-essential are not poor people. I'm sure many have working spouses and/or family capable of helping them out.

People actually lose their jobs in the private sector. Who cries for them?

6 posted on 01/21/2019 6:52:02 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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Yeah....these federal workers should've been prepared. It's not the first time they've been brought to this rodeo. When I see all the help to these workers with stable jobs with good benefits, salaries, and job security, I cringe. Do these same caring people do anything for homeless veterans? While we're at it, do these unprepared federal workers do anything for homeless veterans when they're getting a pay check?

grrrr……end of this rant.

9 posted on 01/21/2019 6:56:23 AM PST by grania ("We're all just pawns in their game")
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Our church sent a thousand dollars to our Costie family.


10 posted on 01/21/2019 6:57:03 AM PST by SkyDancer ( ~ Just Consider Me A Random Fact Generator ~ Eat Sleep Fly Repeat ~)
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cuz 90% vote Dem.....


11 posted on 01/21/2019 6:57:19 AM PST by G Larry (There is no great virtue in bargaining with the Devil)
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I’m retired from the feds..human resources. Furloughs, reduction-in-force etc. happen all the time as a consequence of operational and policy decisions. Much ado about nothing and I, too have little sympathy for temporarily laid-off “non-essential” employees who will be paid when they return to employment they still have. Any politician who uses the plight of the laid off federal employee to leverage an end to the shutdown (and mitigate border security) should be ashamed of themselves.


13 posted on 01/21/2019 6:59:13 AM PST by yetidog
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Earn more, work less, can’t be fired, retire earlier.


14 posted on 01/21/2019 7:00:32 AM PST by G Larry (There is no great virtue in bargaining with the Devil)
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15 posted on 01/21/2019 7:01:19 AM PST by Baynative ("A man is not old until regrets take the place of dreams." - John Barrymore)
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I used to be a low end “federal employee” - U.S.P.S.

Even there, we made darn good money. I remember how we all looked forward to possible government “shutdowns”, hoping we’d get a delayed paid vacation.

Like I said, we were paid well and had money to hold us over
I don’t feel sorry for them, no.


17 posted on 01/21/2019 7:02:02 AM PST by joethedrummer
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The big government socialists should mandate that government employees make no more than their private sector counterparts.


20 posted on 01/21/2019 7:05:02 AM PST by boycott
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Call me a hard-hearted, mean-spirited conservative if you will.

You have lots and lots of company.


22 posted on 01/21/2019 7:06:14 AM PST by GoldenPup
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The reason the American people could care less about the Furloughed Federal Government Workers is simply because the Fed Workers care very little about themselves. They could have ended this furlough on day one, but they, themselves chose to stand with Nutcase Democrats, Nanacy Pelosi & Chuck Schumer.

Fed workers...”Read My Lips”, POTUS, Trump is going to win and get his money to build Southern border walls or barriers. End of story. so...if you want to get back to being paid....I suggest you tell that already failed Speaker of the House, Democrat, Nancy Pelosi to end this partial government shutdown right now.

Otherwise prepare yourselves for two outcomes, a very long shutdown and, or, a major reduction in force of many thousands of unneeded Federal workers. Your choice, folks!!!


24 posted on 01/21/2019 7:10:46 AM PST by JLAGRAYFOX (Defeat both the Republican (e) & Democrat (e) political parties....Forever!!!)
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Never, not one shred of sympathy for GS or W schedule employees. Plan ahead. All of us in the private sector have had to and some did.

No GS has ever had a pay check bounce. I have. There is no back pay when the company goes belly up. You just gave up part of your life for nothing when that happens. Stock that was hoped for to build your retirement or supplement your pay? Worthless. It will never be worth one thin dime. You gambled and lost.

Sympathy for GS employees? None. They need to call nazi pelousy and plead their case to her. I will wish them good luck.

The longer this goes on the more we will wonder what we have a growing number of them for anyway.

I grew up in a GS household. It was back in the days when there was no prohibition against over time and Dad put in a lot of it. Then came the unions and social engineering starting back in the 60s. Back in the days before Clinton there were lots of temporary federal employees. You had to become permanent party to get the good deals and then the deal was not nearly as lush as it is now. There was an exchange of lowered wages for retirement and security. Not so much now. The pay is as good as the benefits were and the benefits are better.


26 posted on 01/21/2019 7:14:12 AM PST by Sequoyah101 (It feels like we have exchanged our dreams for survival. We just hava few days that don't suck.)
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Now that the Shutdown has exceeded 20 days, the Trump administration can implement Reduction in Force rules and get rid of thousands of non-essential, non-working sluggards we taxpayers have been supporting for decades.


Workforce Restructuring Reductions in Force
A furlough of more than 30 calendar days, or of more than 22 discontinuous workdays, is also a RIF action.

https://www.opm.gov/policy-data-oversight/workforce-restructuring/reductions-in-force/#url=Summary


27 posted on 01/21/2019 7:15:42 AM PST by Presbyterian Reporter
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These people “own” their jobs, and it’s almost impossible for them to be let go. Normal people walk on eggshells daily wondering if today will be the day they’ll be axed. That’s no way to live 50 years of your life.

They’ll be paid, if not now, then later. Normal people are not. Paid vacations are cool.

Nobody agonized when coal miners and steel workers were thrown into destitution after Obama and Hillary kept their promises to shut them down.

No; I have no sympathy for these people — none at all!


34 posted on 01/21/2019 7:25:45 AM PST by MayflowerMadam
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As a general rule, to make good money in the private sector you have to meet or exceed your goals.

If you don’t meet your goals you will eventually get demoted or replaced.

In the government you can make very good money at a job doing little or nothing with no pressure to perform.

You are set for life and will never be fired.

And they get a paid vacation during during a so called shut down. And they get to play the victim.


35 posted on 01/21/2019 7:35:43 AM PST by detective
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I know a couple federal workers.

They are responsible people, so missing one or two paychecks (especially as they will be paid back) isn’t going to hurt them.

They are ANGRY though. They are progressives, so they are full of cognitive dissonance. They believe in government, but hate the massive, soul-crushing bureaucracies they work for. They believe in government, but look down on the peasants outside of government. They believe in government, but are jealous of people who work outside of it, who seem to have much more fulfilling jobs and more control over their careers. They believe in government, but hate the politics, resent the affirmative action people put in over them and hate they taxes they must pay themselves

Now the shutdown has proven to them that for the last month, they are basically useless.

Their cognitive dissonance is getting rubbed raw.


39 posted on 01/21/2019 7:41:28 AM PST by PGR88
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