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Denialists: How AOC is Intensifying the Left's War on Math
Townhall.com ^ | January 7, 2019 | Guy Benson

Posted on 01/07/2019 12:43:08 PM PST by Kaslin

Another day, another post about Alexandria Ocasio Cortez -- whose status as a social and mainstream media sensation was further cemented last night, when she appeared on 60 Minutes as a featured guest.  As Leah mentioned earlier, AOC raised eyebrows on the right, left and center when she answered a question about her habit of spreading factually false information by opining that moral righteousness is more important than empirical accuracy.  To harp on precision and mathematical correctness, she said, basically amounts to "missing the forest [right thinking] for the trees [facts]:"

“There's a lot of people more concerned about being precisely, factually, and semantically correct than about being morally right,” @AOC says in response to criticism that she’s made factual errors. https://t.co/sKf3sHl9F6 pic.twitter.com/xKc2eB7GEk— 60 Minutes (@60Minutes) January 7, 2019


She eventually conceded that yes, details should matter, but also sighed "oh my goodness" when Anderson Cooper raised the recent embarrassment in which AOC comprehensively butchered a statistic about Pentagon waste, wrongly asserting that those funds could pay for most of a decade's-worth of single-payer healthcare.  She chides her critics for wanting to "blow up" that $21 trillion error, emphasizing -- essentially -- that it's the thought that counts.  It's perhaps a slight challenge to take seriously her afterthought about the importance of dealing with reality as it exists when she's also embracing an economic theory that paying for things isn't necessary, and that budget surpluses can actually be harmful:

It's pretty amazing that @AOC, the fastest rising star in U.S. politics, is an adherent of MMT https://t.co/TAGGzu8UvT pic.twitter.com/BjHuGnMpHl— Joe Weisenthal (@TheStalwart) January 7, 2019


She bristled at the unfairness of merely asking how she'd have the government pay the tab for the orgy of spending she's endorsing, claiming that there are 'myriad' ways to fund her ideas.  There are not.  Her biggest ticket item is "Medicare For All," which would take a huge program that's already careening toward insolvency and expand it to the entire country.  According to nonpartisan analyses, this would cost at least $32 trillion over ten years, requiring a near-doubling of the federal budget.  To finance even a majority of it, enormous tax increases on all Americans would be required.  That's math.  The warmed-over bromides about cutting military spending (last month's ignorant mistake could have been instructive on this point, but alas) or taxing the "very rich" are not remotely realistic.  On slashing defense, we've previously quoted the Washington Post fact-check finding that "completely defunding the military for the next decade would yield only one-fifth of $32 trillion."  

As for "the rich" (see this detail about the supposed revenues from the 70 percent top marginal rate AOC floated and many progressives have defended), the simple fact is that affluent Americans just do not have nearly enough wealth to cover even a fraction of the bill the Left wants to rack up.  Economic policy expert Brian Riedl runs through $57 trillion in proposed new spending and puts Democrats' specious turn-key "solution" into perspective:

The “just tax the rich” rhetoric remains empty because the numbers simply do not add up. Wealthy families and corporations are not a bottomless ATM available to finance a socialist utopia. In fact, America’s federal tax code is already the most progressive in the OECD, even adjusting for income inequality. The Congressional Budget Office reports that the top-earning 20 percent of taxpayers earn 53 percent of the income, yet pay 69 percent of all federal taxes, including 88 percent of all income taxes. The bottom 40 percent of earners earn 14 percent of the income while collectively paying no income tax, and less than 5 percent of all federal taxes. Tax code regressivity is not the problem...Even if the 2017 tax cuts and 2018 defense spending hikes expire, the CBO projects a baseline budget deficit rising to 5 percent of GDP over the next decade. Additionally, the far-left wish list described above totals 18 percent of GDP. That brings a staggering budget deficit of 23 percent of GDP, or the current equivalent of $4.6 trillion per year.

Riedl offers a detailed examination of how a host of popular left-wing taxation fantasies would fail to even close the existing gap, let alone but any dent in all the new spending liberals are demanding.  And that's before you even attempt to quantify the ways in which major tax hikes would harm the economy or alter behavior.  In short, what we have is a very serious spending problem (the tax cuts -- i.e., letting people keep more of the money they earn -- are not "spending" and represent a relative drop in the bucket deficit-wise), particularly involving mandatory spending and entitlements. That is what's driving our long-term debt crisis. Neither party is serious about actually solving this problem at the moment, and Democrats are agitating to make it far worse, and their superficial soundbytes on pay-fors are nonsense. 

AOC's most honest talking point here is to just bear-hug ballooning deficit spending, while hoping that the debt bomb never detonates. That's right, leaning into extreme recklessness is the Left's best plan.  To give you a sense of what those of us who want a sensible discussion of these issues are up against, I'll leave you with these corrections of an NBC News reporter's inaccurate tweet, which purported to be correcting a 'falsehood' from acting White House Chief of Staff and OMB Director Mick Mulvaney:

15 K RT's for this embarrassingly false tweet The official Senate Score showed that the tax bill you are referencing would increase the deficit by 28 billion in 2018. That's 1.4% of the debt increase you are blaming that bill for.

Rest was approved w/ votes from both parties. https://t.co/zGIgmCK9L9— (((AG))) (@AG_Conservative) January 7, 2019

The tax bill didn’t waive statutory PAYGO. If Senate Democrats hadn’t later voted to waive PAYGO on the deficit impact of the bill there would have been an automatic sequester to pay for the tax bill.

That’s what Mulvaney is taking about. https://t.co/Pmu86DrMvZ— Paul Winfree (@paulwinfree) January 7, 2019


Hunt's replies are filled with liberals insisting that she use the word "lie," but it turns out that she's mangled the facts herself.  In her rush to echo Democratic talking points about tax reform (which, again, is nowhere near a major cause of our debt problem), she confuses what Mulvaney is even referring to -- but she's also wrong about what she thinks he's referring to.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Front Page News; US: New York; US: Vermont
KEYWORDS: andersoncooper; aoc; berniesanders; deficitsdept; dnctalkingpoint; dnctalkingpoints; globalwarminghoax; nationaldept; newyork; ocasiocortez; sphc; taxreform; vermont
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To: Kaslin

“As Leah mentioned earlier, AOC raised eyebrows on the right, left and center when she answered a question about her habit of spreading factually false information by opining that moral righteousness is more important than empirical accuracy. “

She’s the poster child for Postmodernism.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZhK6XOT3uAA&t=20s


21 posted on 01/07/2019 2:45:14 PM PST by aquila48
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To: Nateman

How moral is it to drive the country and by association the world into abject poverty. These commies refuse to look at the long term consequences of their moronic policies, if they did they would have to admit how unworkable socialism is.


22 posted on 01/07/2019 3:46:01 PM PST by VTenigma (The Democrat party is the party of the mathematically challenged)
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To: VTenigma

Oh yeah I forgot. I’ve had the same tagline for years.


23 posted on 01/07/2019 3:48:39 PM PST by VTenigma (The Democrat party is the party of the mathematically challenged)
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To: Kaslin

Rewriting the first sentence to “whose status as a social and mainstream media sensation was further DEMENTED last night..”

Dr. DeMento agrees. So does Freud, Bettleheim, and Dr. Frankenstein.


24 posted on 01/07/2019 3:51:34 PM PST by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: Kaslin

She should’ve stayed a hot bimbo.


25 posted on 01/07/2019 4:42:57 PM PST by wastedyears (The left would kill every single one of us and our families if they knew they could get away with it)
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To: huckfillary
They fit in HERE!
26 posted on 01/07/2019 7:21:58 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: rockinqsranch

“.... and nobody will not know who “AOC” is.....”

We just call her Occasional Kotex around here.
To be used and then disposed of....The nasty Botoxian will use her in that same manner.


27 posted on 01/07/2019 10:06:56 PM PST by lgjhn23 (It's easy to be liberal when you're dumber than a box of rocks.)
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To: Kaslin

“Representative, suppose everyone received the benefits you want them to have. Who would work and why would they?”


28 posted on 01/08/2019 12:33:09 AM PST by BradyLS (DO NOT FEED THE BEARS!)
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To: wastedyears

“Hot bimbo”?

To me she looks like an alien creature that took on human form but couldn’t get it quite right, and the unsettling strangeness is peeking through.


29 posted on 01/08/2019 4:41:58 AM PST by Max in Utah (A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within.)
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To: Kaslin

She has “crazy eyes.” When they get drunk the crazy eyes thing goes away. But, it comes back in the morning. Trust me on that.


30 posted on 01/08/2019 4:46:38 AM PST by anton
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To: Kaslin

Raging Bull****. Cortez could pass as the political mascot of the Democrat Party.


31 posted on 01/08/2019 4:48:56 AM PST by windsorknot
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To: Max in Utah

She used to be a hot bimbo when she was in college. Then someone beat her with a stupid stick and now we’re stuck with... whatever she is now.


32 posted on 01/08/2019 8:14:12 AM PST by wastedyears (The left would kill every single one of us and our families if they knew they could get away with it)
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To: rockinqsranch

“She’s becoming like a Rock Star, and our side is helping her achieve it all.”

If I thought she was a real threat, I’d share your concern that our side is promoting her by giving her attention and name recognition.

However, in this case I think we’d be fortunate to have her becone the face of the Progressive Left. She is an idiot and an embarrassment.

She’s the kind of political opponent that politicians dream of running against. Trump won’t even need to say anything.

I say prop her up - make her into a rock star.


33 posted on 01/08/2019 11:48:23 AM PST by enumerated
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To: Kaslin
Remember when Hilliary hallucinated that she was sniper fire in Bosnia. Why would she fabricate such a silly & easily disproven lie? At the time she said it she believed it. Because to her & the rest of the left reality itself is just something you make up as you go along.
34 posted on 01/08/2019 2:31:51 PM PST by cctrout
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To: VTenigma
Socialism isn't’t an empirically based belief system based on evidence & logic. It’s a religion for people who don’t have one. Like the second coming in Christianity true socialism is always just around the corner if not in Russia then China, North Korea Cuba Venezuela California on & on . Ultimately only violence can stop them. Reason & evidence won’t make a dent.
35 posted on 01/08/2019 2:42:00 PM PST by cctrout
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Arthur Wildfire! March; Berosus; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...
She eventually conceded that yes, details should matter, but also sighed "oh my goodness" when Anderson Cooper raised the recent embarrassment in which AOC comprehensively butchered a statistic about Pentagon waste, wrongly asserting that those funds could pay for most of a decade's-worth of single-payer healthcare.  She chides her critics for wanting to "blow up" that $21 trillion error, emphasizing -- essentially -- that it's the thought that counts.
That's exactly what her fellow Demwits were thinking when they watched it . She didn't get elected by accident, and one should expect more such morons in future election campaigns.

36 posted on 01/08/2019 3:02:04 PM PST by SunkenCiv (and btw -- https://www.gofundme.com/for-rotator-cuff-repair-surgery)
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To: cctrout

Ultimately only violence can stop them.


An unfortunate truism. You and I see things alike.


37 posted on 01/08/2019 3:33:36 PM PST by VTenigma (The Democrat party is the party of the mathematically challenged)
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To: Kaslin

bkmk


38 posted on 01/09/2019 2:31:06 AM PST by NetAddicted (Just looking)
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To: huckfillary

NATO 5.56x45mm (.223 caliber) bullet commonly used in the M16, M4 carbine, and M249 SAW (Squad Automatic Weapon).


39 posted on 01/09/2019 4:53:47 AM PST by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: VTenigma; cctrout

“...Ultimately only violence can stop them. Reason & evidence won’t make a dent. ...”

Which is exactly why the first thing they do after seizing power is disarm the population and make them helpless.

Mao said it: All political power grows out of the barrel of a gun.

Unfortunately for the left... WE know it too.


40 posted on 01/09/2019 4:56:44 AM PST by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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