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James Watson Had a Chance to Salvage His Reputation on Race. He Made Things Worse.
The New York Slimes ^ | Jan. 1, 2019 | Amy Harmon

Posted on 01/04/2019 6:27:34 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum

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To: Boomer

This is why I, with a background in science, distrust peer review profoundly.


41 posted on 01/04/2019 10:42:16 PM PST by YogicCowboy ("I am not entirely on anyone's side, because no one is entirely on mine." - J. R. R. Tolkien)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Please explain.


42 posted on 01/04/2019 10:44:59 PM PST by YogicCowboy ("I am not entirely on anyone's side, because no one is entirely on mine." - J. R. R. Tolkien)
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To: YogicCowboy

What is unclear?


43 posted on 01/04/2019 10:56:13 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (May Jesus Christ be praised.)
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To: Gay State Conservative

First of all as a fellow Irishman, you are probably right...

Secondly, why is the NFL 70%ish black when they only constitute 15%ish of the population...

Why is the NFL #racist


44 posted on 01/04/2019 11:03:36 PM PST by Will not Live for another Man
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To: HiTech RedNeck

When IQ tests were first developed and applied on a wide scale in the 1920s, it was found that newly arrived East European Jews and their children did poorly on the tests. This led to wide concern that genetics meant had left Jews were intellectually impaired. Yet within a generation, Harvard and the rest of the Ivy league imposed quotas limiting the admission of Jews. Now, similar quotas are covertly applied to limit the numbers of Chinese students and to protect the admission preference for the children of graduates and major donors. Whatever the influence of genetics on intelligence may be, surely IQ tests also measure something else that is even more important: the determination to excel in school.


45 posted on 01/05/2019 12:08:11 AM PST by Rockingham
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Perhaps some of Watson's critics could check the average IQ's in some African countries. Hint: such IQ's would be considered borderline retardation in a Western country.

And one of the more intelligent folks from that continent has a suggestion: Let Africa Sink

And for the Neo-Nazis and alt-Whities crowing over Mr. Watson's observations, they should remember that the average IQ of Asians is a little higher than that of White people.

As for how intrinsic the IQ difference may or may not be, we just need to remember that Africa is mostly run be deplorable people who are perfectly fine with keeping their citizens dumb, poorly fed and oppressed.

46 posted on 01/05/2019 12:15:41 AM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Ya lyublyu kovfefe!)
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To: NotSoFreeStater

I guess leftists really don’t believe in science.


It’s like this. Even though we are soaking in the benefits of a scientific civilization, when the science bumps up against the notion of racial disparity, the left refuses to believe it. When it bumps up against religion, the right refuses to believe it. Free thinkers seem to be a diminishing resource.


47 posted on 01/05/2019 12:59:18 AM PST by sparklite2 (Don't mind me. I'm just a contrarian.)
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To: Okeydoker

I’ve had American black employees, Commonwealth black employees, and African born black employees. American blacks exhibit all the negative traits of the ‘hood.’ The other blacks do not. You could blame the Great Society for imbuing the entitlement mentality of American blacks, from which all else followed.


48 posted on 01/05/2019 1:05:08 AM PST by sparklite2 (Don't mind me. I'm just a contrarian.)
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To: The people have spoken

“I watched it. Scientists objecting to Watson’s claims weren’t denying that blacks score lower on IQ tests. But they were saying that it happens for cultural and socioeconomic reasons, not for genetic reasons.”

Thanks.

Fact of the matter is neither has a basis to conclude either.

Intelligence is such a broad trait as to be meaningless for scientific analysis. Aspects of intelligence specifically defined can be. But that then brings up issues of characterizing and defining genetic populations. For example Watson’s anecdotal comment makes no sense in that American black genetics is quite different than African on the whole.

Intelligence and genetics really hasn’t been studied and no one knows the genetic basis for “intelligence”, nor even specifically deigned aspects such as ability to do certain math etc...

There’s so much more to this topic that is too much to discuss here. There’re the scientific questions and then the socio-political environment which makes even objectively discussing the topic a minefield.


49 posted on 01/05/2019 1:05:44 AM PST by ifinnegan (Democrats kill babies and harvest their organs to sell)
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To: uncbob

That would be a good bet.


50 posted on 01/05/2019 1:06:13 AM PST by sparklite2 (Don't mind me. I'm just a contrarian.)
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To: tbw2

Biological gender is a binary thing, but I agree that sexuality is on a spectrum.


51 posted on 01/05/2019 1:07:46 AM PST by sparklite2 (Don't mind me. I'm just a contrarian.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

He outlived Rushton


52 posted on 01/05/2019 1:15:41 AM PST by wardaddy (I don’t care that you’re not a racist......when the shooting starts it won’t matter what yo)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

“all our social policies are based on the fact that their intelligence is the same as ours, whereas all the testing says, not really.”

The weird thing is this could be turned around to be progressive. e.g. Saying trying to force our western culture and paradigms on a foreign culture is cultural imperialism and not appropriate for non western cultures.

e.g. Science is racist compared to folk beliefs.

https://reason.com/blog/2016/10/14/watch-leftist-students-say-science-is-ra


53 posted on 01/05/2019 1:18:20 AM PST by ifinnegan (Democrats kill babies and harvest their organs to sell)
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To: Rockingham; Pelham; Ohioan

I’d like to see proof that Jews did poorly on IQ tests in the early 20th century

Jews even in pales and other pseudo reservations did quite well and excelled in all manner of sciences and business

In Hungary and Poland and Austria and Germany and England and France

I’m suspect of that proffer

I would note that Ashkhenazim Jews do indeed test well on IQ tests but Sephardic and Mizrahi and Oriental Jews don’t test any higher than most caucazoidal means

Chinese IQ tests depend wholly on which Chinese you’re testing same as testing white Americans or black Americans where large deviation exists

This area of so called science is so political that study after study exists to try to convince people to simply ignore what they experience their entire lives

Ultimately it feeds the holy grail of dismissing any and all white accomplishments and western civilization as a fluke or theft from non whites

It’s just all bullshit

Anyone who has any empirical logic left can easily tell who prospers and reasons and who lags and is prone to emotive physicality in the place of thought out response

Smart people did not bludgeon and chop up 1,000,000 Tutsi

I’ve spent a third of my life in the developing world....even do gooders in NGO capacity get confronted with realities that shatter their Pollyanna beliefs about race and intelligence


54 posted on 01/05/2019 1:37:01 AM PST by wardaddy (I don’t care that you’re not a racist......when the shooting starts it won’t matter what yo)
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55 posted on 01/05/2019 1:43:29 AM PST by SunkenCiv (and btw -- https://www.gofundme.com/for-rotator-cuff-repair-surgery)
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To: aquila48

Having worked for over 3 years as a C.O. in a county jail my observations lead me to the dsame conclusion as Dr Watson.


56 posted on 01/05/2019 2:34:50 AM PST by magyars4
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To: Bon mots

where was this picture taken? US? College?


57 posted on 01/05/2019 4:20:11 AM PST by Chickensoup (Leftists totalitarian fascists appear to be planning to eradicate conservatives)
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To: Bon mots

where was this picture taken? US? College?

In my opinion this sort of thing is why I believe there will be a white genocide worldwide within 15 years


58 posted on 01/05/2019 4:21:10 AM PST by Chickensoup (Leftists totalitarian fascists appear to be planning to eradicate conservatives)
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To: Bon mots

Is this a microagression?


59 posted on 01/05/2019 4:25:53 AM PST by Chickensoup (Leftists totalitarian fascists appear to be planning to eradicate conservatives)
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To: Some Fat Guy in L.A.

Sowell talks about Cultural Capital as being foundational to intelligence and success.

However there are dull children as well as bright ones even in the early years.


60 posted on 01/05/2019 4:28:45 AM PST by Chickensoup (Leftists totalitarian fascists appear to be planning to eradicate conservatives)
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