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No More Bread and Water: U.S. Navy Scraps an Age-Old Penalty
NY Times ^ | 12-25-2018 | Dave Philipps

Posted on 12/26/2018 10:45:46 AM PST by NRx

The United States Navy has come a long way, from its first wooden frigates to today’s nuclear carriers. But in all that time, one thing remained almost as fixed as the North Star: A skipper’s power to throw troublesome sailors in the brig with nothing to eat but bread and water.

Though it sounds like something from an old pirate movie, the antique penalty is not only still on the Navy’s books, it is still actually imposed, despite a century of abolition efforts.

On New Year’s Day, it will finally go by the boards.

A sweeping update of the Uniform Code of Military Justice, passed by Congress in 2016, will take effect on Jan. 1, bringing dozens of changes that are intended to make the system fairer and more efficient. Most are the kind of procedural tweaks that concern lawyers, not sailors. But the bread-and-water part will be felt on all decks.

Commanders throughout the armed services will still have the authority to punish minor misconduct in various ways without a trial. But the new law deletes the regulation that authorized ship commanders to confine low-ranking sailors on “diminished rations” — bread and water — for up to three days at a time.

That regulation is no mere neglected relic from a bygone era. As recently as 2017, a destroyer in the Pacific was known as the U.S.S. Bread and Water because of the skipper’s liberal use of the penalty to punish missteps like missing a curfew or drinking under the legal age.

Many in the Navy will be happy to see it go. But some mourn what they see as an expedient and effective tradition of the seas.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government
KEYWORDS: breadandwater; diminishedrations; navy
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1 posted on 12/26/2018 10:45:46 AM PST by NRx
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To: NRx

Bread and water was a piece of cake. it was the keel hauling that liked to have killed me.


2 posted on 12/26/2018 10:49:40 AM PST by BipolarBob (Have a McClane Christmas : "Now I have a machine gun HO-HO - HO".)
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To: NRx

CO used it on occasion, but preferred restriction and 1/2 pay for extended periods. I always felt the sailors would have preferred the B&W since it was limited to 3 days.


3 posted on 12/26/2018 10:51:55 AM PST by reed13k (For evil to triumph it is only necessary that good men do nothing)
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To: BipolarBob

Any idea when the last recorded occurrence of a keel hauling was?


4 posted on 12/26/2018 10:52:13 AM PST by gundog ( Hail to the Chief, bitches!)
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To: BipolarBob

Bet the second time was worse than the first? //


5 posted on 12/26/2018 10:52:58 AM PST by donozark (There are no flamingos in Venezuela.)
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To: BipolarBob

The plank was no walk in the park either.

But seriously, some of the sailors I know do not need all of that starch anyway.

Steak and water would be much better for them.


6 posted on 12/26/2018 10:56:23 AM PST by seowulf
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To: BipolarBob

First in to mention the Royal Navy’s “rum, sodomy, and the lash”.... I hope the US Navy does not rely upon any of that but with the PC mania there may be a lot more license for sodomy these days....


7 posted on 12/26/2018 10:59:18 AM PST by Trump_the_Evil_Left (FReeper formerly known as Enchante (registered Sept. 5, 2001), back from the wild....)
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To: NRx

My Dad was WWII Navy and they referred to bread and water as “piss and punk”.


8 posted on 12/26/2018 11:02:43 AM PST by dainbramaged (If you want a friend, rescue a pit bull.)
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To: gundog

Apparently keel hauling may have been more apocryphal than real, even centuries ago.... the Brits seem not to have used it, though the Dutch may have used it a bit:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keelhauling


9 posted on 12/26/2018 11:02:52 AM PST by Trump_the_Evil_Left (FReeper formerly known as Enchante (registered Sept. 5, 2001), back from the wild....)
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To: NRx

The problem is American bread. It is largely water

As American bread is currently sold, the moisture content is as high as the bakers art is able to sustain. American bread is berely not dough


10 posted on 12/26/2018 11:03:47 AM PST by bert ( (KE. N.P. N.C. +12) Invade Honduras. Provide a military government)
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To: gundog

“Any idea when the last recorded occurrence of a keel hauling was?”

Ask Billy Budd (OK, OK, NOT US Navy....)


11 posted on 12/26/2018 11:04:15 AM PST by BBB333 (The Power Of Trump Compels You!)
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yay a kinder and gentler navy.


12 posted on 12/26/2018 11:04:52 AM PST by proust (Justice delayed is injustice.)
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To: seowulf

As a former pre-diabetic and low carb follower, I am thinking bread and water would be a serious punishment for me. I would rather go with bacon and water :)


13 posted on 12/26/2018 11:05:25 AM PST by CollegeRepublican
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To: Trump_the_Evil_Left

That was my impression. I know a lib woman that says her dad said that they keel hauled a black guy in the ‘50s, I think it was. I called BS, but she uses it as a racial sob story. I don’t doubt her dad told her the story.


14 posted on 12/26/2018 11:07:00 AM PST by gundog ( Hail to the Chief, bitches!)
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To: gundog

There were black guys serving on naval ships in the 50’s, and that could swim?

/sarc

Possible but unlikely.


15 posted on 12/26/2018 11:10:31 AM PST by texas booster (Join FreeRepublic's Folding@Home team (Team # 36120) Cure Alzheimer's!)
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To: NRx

Were there demands for gluten-free bread, and Perrier water?


16 posted on 12/26/2018 11:11:10 AM PST by simpson96
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To: CollegeRepublican

They can do Quinoa & Green Tea instead!


17 posted on 12/26/2018 11:12:49 AM PST by LYDIAONTARIO
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To: NRx; rlmorel; sit-rep

Just don’t feed them Army biscuits. They say they are might fine, but one fell off the table and killed a friend of mine.*

*(May be exaggerated)


18 posted on 12/26/2018 11:18:30 AM PST by Larry Lucido
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To: texas booster

That’s the beauty of a keel hauling...you don’t have to be able to swim. I’m pretty sure it was a crock. Coulda been the 60’s...I think the guy was a drunk.


19 posted on 12/26/2018 11:20:11 AM PST by gundog ( Hail to the Chief, bitches!)
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To: CollegeRepublican

Canadian Bacon on buttered Crescent Rolls sprinkled with oregano? I would most likely survive it.


20 posted on 12/26/2018 11:22:09 AM PST by lee martell (AT)
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