‘Borderline Impossible’: Noted Scientist Tackles Sea Level Rise Alarmism

dailycaller.com ^ | 12/10/2018 | Michael Bastasch

[rktman]

When it comes to alarming projections of global warming-induced sea level rise, veteran climate scientist Judith Curry says people need to cool it.

“Projections of extreme, alarming impacts are very weakly justified to borderline impossible,” Curry told The Daily Caller News Foundation.

Curry’s latest research, put together for clients of her consulting company near the end of November, looks in detail at projections of sea level rise. Curry’s ultimate conclusion: “Some of the worst-case scenarios strain credulity.”

“With regards to 21st century climate projections, we are dealing with deep uncertainty, and we should not be basing our policies based on the assumption that the climate will actually evolve as per predicted,” Curry told TheDCNF.

“Climate variability and change is a lot more complex than ‘CO2 as control knob’,” Curry said. “No one wants to hear this, or actually spend time understanding things,” Curry said.

[rlmorel]

You really aren’t going to quote that website are you?

You need to look at the data closer to the raw data before it has been run through the filter of sites such as “Skeptical Science”.

You accept their assertions at your intellectual peril. They are an alarmist website dedicated to advancing the fallacy of CO2 caused global change, especially that CO2 emitted due to human activity.

[Armscor38]

“How can 0.00136% of the atmosphere blanket the globe in a thick enough mass to trap heat?”

It is water vapor in the atmosphere that contributes the majority of greenhouse gas warming. CO2 plays a major role because even though the amount of atmospheric CO2 is tiny, measured in parts per million, it has a dramatic effect on how much water vapor is retained in the atmosphere. On the opposite end, take all CO2 out of the atmosphere, all water vapor condenses and global average temperatures plummet as a result and the Earth becomes a frozen snowball.

[Armscor38]

Can you provide links to your sources?

[zeugma]

The reason you've never seen such a system is that we have known for decades now that it is impossible to predict any multi-variable system that has sensitive dependence upon initial conditions. Anyone who spends a little time looking at chaos theory knows all 'climate models' are garbage.

[rlmorel]

If you depend on Google to provide information, you should recognize that "Skeptical Science" is going to appear prominently in all of your searches.

I have a guest account set up to read the paper, and have made it available to you in the link below. This is just one of many papers. But you should know that access to these types of things is less than optimal due to Google if you do your searches through there.

Atmospheric CO2 Concentrations over the Last Glacial Termination by Eric Monin et al.

Quoting from Skeptical Science is akin to quoting from CNN or Snopes.

[Armscor38]

The paper you provided a link to is very limited in scope and is confined to the last glacial termination. It’s accepted science that what ends the ice ages is a change in the Earth’s orbit and not an increase in atmospheric CO2. It states that in the article I had linked to (Deglaciation is not initiated by CO2 but by orbital cycles. However, this is what you said earlier:

“Ice core analysis has shown time and again that CO2 FOLLOWS all global warming.”

That is a false statement.

[KC_for_Freedom]

Engineers use models to solve complex math problems and then check to see if the models make sense. The models for aero need wind tunnel verification before committing loads of cash to an aircraft design. (The models help, the the engineers believe the wind tunnel data more, even though the wind tunnel is only a small scale structure of the actual thing being designed.)

I worked with a modeler who tried to predict the explosive effect of a high pressure tank being shot with a 50 cal round. To test the model, (which predicted only low level over pressure we built a small “room” to study the effects of firing the bullet into the tank. When the tank exploded, it knocked down all four walls and all of our instrumentation was pushed out of range. We went back to the modeler and he said “Whoops” I must have made some wrong assumptions.

This is basically why I do not trust models.

KC, systems engineer (retired)

[KC_for_Freedom]

Engineers use models to solve complex math problems and then check to see if the models make sense. The models for aero need wind tunnel verification before committing loads of cash to an aircraft design. (The models help, the the engineers believe the wind tunnel data more, even though the wind tunnel is only a small scale structure of the actual thing being designed.)

I worked with a modeler who tried to predict the explosive effect of a high pressure tank being shot with a 50 cal round. To test the model, (which predicted only low level over pressure we built a small “room” to study the effects of firing the bullet into the tank. When the tank exploded, it knocked down all four walls and all of our instrumentation was pushed out of range. We went back to the modeler and he said “Whoops” I must have made some wrong assumptions.

This is basically why I do not trust models.

KC, systems engineer (retired)

[PROCON]

What do you mean borderline impossible?

I saw it happen in a movie!

[Alas Babylon!]

No problem Bob, I have been there myself, more than I care to say!

[Amish with an attitude]

Hasn’t sea rise been occurring for millennia, even without SUV’s.

[rktman]

Wait until someone pulls the plug in the middle of the Atlantic and drains some off.

[rlmorel]

My apologies, I thought I was being quite generous giving you a link, so you wouldn’t have to find one on your own without going through Google.

I must have linked the wrong one. I took the time to look it up on the website and download it to my own internet accessible location. But since it gave me multiple returns, I must have downloaded the wrong one.

But before I take any more of my valuable time to help you understand, I would like to ask you a few questions:

1.). Do you believe in man-caused (anthropogenic global warming exists, and that it is caused by CO2 emissions from human activity?

2.). Do you dispute that rising CO2 levels in the atmosphere are a lagging indicator to atmospheric temperatures (that temperatures increase first, causing CO2 outgassing from the ocean) and that the lag time is between 200-1200 years?

I normally don’t discuss this issue with leftists because they are almost always ideologues who aren’t interested in facts, but I make the assumption that since you have an account on Free Republic, you aren’t simply a leftist, but someone who is interested in finding out the truth.

[headstamp 2]

Levin had a great guy on a couple weeks back (TV Show) addressing the climate insanity.

[rktman]

Sadly, a lot of juveniles are being thoroughly indoctrinated to believe it.

[EdnaMode]

Call Leonardo DiCaprio! He can help from his private jets, yachts and mansions!

[confederatecarpetbag]

I don’t think Dr. Curry will be attending many Christmas cheer parties with her academic colleagues. Just a hunch...

[Wildbill22]

The root cause of every human ill is capitalism and freedom. So according to every leftist on earth.

CO2 is just a by-product of capitalism and freedom.

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Nailed it!

[Bob434]

[[It is water vapor in the atmosphere that contributes the majority of greenhouse gas warming]]

So I’ll ask this- how can even 0.04% of the atmosphere cause global warming? 0.04% isn’t nearly enough to trap anywhere near enough heat to warm the globe- at best- it can only very minorly cause localized warming-

[[CO2 plays a major role because even though the amount of atmospheric CO2 is tiny, measured in parts per million, it has a dramatic effect on how much water vapor is retained in the atmosphere.]]

No I’m sorry- it is far far too tiny- there is no correlation between the small amount of CO2 and global warming- there simply is nowhere near enough CO2- nor is there enough greenhouse gases to cause global warming- What is the % of water vapor caused by greenhouse gases? Let alone caused by CO2? We can’t just make a claim that a tiny amount of CO2 causes enough water vapor to cause global warming- almost 200% of the greenhouse gases are natural anyways- the tiny contribution of man’s CO2 and other greenhouse gases is not causing a ‘tipping point’ only 0.00136% of the greenhouse gases are ‘caused by man’

So again, it’s just crazy to suggest that such a small amount has caused a ‘tipping point’ and is ‘causing global climate change’

There is no thick blanket of ‘water vapor’ (’caused by man’s CO2 and greenhouse gases’) encompassing the world- infact almost all of the globe is free of vapor allowing the mass majority of heat to escape- only small areas- small localized areas, contain this small amount of vapor- this does not- can not- translate into a global effect-

[StAnDeliver]

"Curry’s latest research, put together for clients of her consulting company near the end of November, looks in detail at projections of sea level rise. Curry’s ultimate conclusion: “Some of the worst-case scenarios strain credulity."

There is a lot more going on here than just Curry's reasonable rejection of sea rise levels.

Global swarmists know if they get their hands around insurance companies -- Obamacare writ large -- that they can either (a) force penurious penalties on Heartlanders who spend their golden years as snowbirds and/or (b) strangle the profit out of the insurance companies with penurious regulation and taxation.