Brexit: Theresa May understood to be delaying key vote

BBC News ^ | 12/10/2018 | BBC

[Nextrush]

Theresa May is to make a statement to MP's at 15:30 GMT amid reports Tuesday's vote on her Brexit deal is being delayed.

That will be followed by a statement from the Commons leader Andrea Leadsom-and then a statement from the Brexit secretary on Article 50.

Two cabinet sources have told the BBC's Laura Keunssberg Tuesday's planned Brexit vote will be delayed.

There is not yet any official confirmation of the move.

Downing Street had been insisting the vote would go ahead, despite Mrs. May being widely expected to lose it.....

[Nextrush]

The political machine has a plan to trick and cajole and meander and con and do whatever it takes to keep the UK in the EU with some Fake Brexit.

[Berlin_Freeper]

Double pump head fake.

[Uncle Miltie]

“Democracy” only when it suits your betters.

[allendale]

The Brits have kept their own currency, don’t want EU bureaucrats telling them how to live their daily lives, take away the trade advantages they have with the old British Commonwealth , do not wish to be subjected to the EU’s draconian EPA but definitely want to share in the trade and wealth generated primarily by the German behemoth. In case the world has not noticed, the Germans accomplished with their economy what they could not by force of arms. This time the Brits, as demonstrated by the “ I am no Churchill” Teresa May will surrender.

[Jim Noble]

“Democracy” only when it suits your betters.

The UK is not a democracy.

The sovereign is the Crown in Parliament. The referendum was a stupid idea, since the people's only part of sovereignty is electing members in the House of Commons.

Because the idiot Cameron promised a vote, and got an unexpected result, what's going to happen now is the ascent of Jeremy Corbyn to power, which will be a disaster on many fronts.

[relictele]

Occam’s Razor: a referendum is the most accurate poll of all because it represents the greatest sample size.

Poll-worshiping politicians who suddenly ignore polls which represent the path of least resistance obviously have an agenda.

[Old Teufel Hunden]

As I understand it, with the current deal UK would have to give the EU about 40 bn Euros in fines/etc. The UK would get control over it’s borders which was the main reason Brexit passed in the first place but Northern Ireland would be in some type of limbo where they were still in the customs union. This would prevent the UK from making any new trade deals with other countries and would keep the UK under the EU laws/rules.

If that’s the case, I’d rather have no-deal if I were a Brit. I’d also tell the EU to come and take their 40 bn Euros if they can because I’m not giving it to them.

[Old Teufel Hunden]

"The UK is not a democracy."

It is a form of democracy. It's a parliamentary democracy. The people still get to choose their government. The crown is the head of state, not the head of government and by law (in the UK) can have no say in the government. Yes in days gone by parlimentary governments prime ministers were chosen by the crown and then told to form a government but those days are long passed. I'm sure in the real world if the queen wants something done she can whisper in the PM's ear and have things done, but by law she cannot do it.

As to whether they should have held a referendum, I personally am not in favor of referendums in general. I'm glad my state does not allow that. I don't like direct democracy because I think the passions of the people end up making bad policy and bad laws. What should have happened (IMO) is that a party should have been formed around that as the main issue or the Tories should have adopted that as their platform for when they next stood for election. However, they did hold the referendum and if a government is to have any legitimacy it must follow through on the results of that referendum.

[aspasia]

Meanwhile, Nigel Farage has plans to start another party. What a fighter.

[aspasia]

Not news. Nothing has happened.

[Truth29]

If Theresa May is not being paid for being a saboteur, she should be. Sign being held by a demonstrator in front of Parliament: Leave means Leave.

[epluribus_2]

same as Mueller and Comey. The citizens voting incorrectly and must be dealt with in order to maintain dignity and Order. FYI to the remainers - neither the us or Great Britain was founded in times of dignity and order. Sort of the point

[epluribus_2]

hasn’t been American federal judge ruled brexit unconstitutional yet? I bet some think they could they could

[Sa-teef]

Coming in the old bat promised "A good deal or no deal". She lied. How did Britain ever survive all those centuries without a European Court of Justice to overrule any self made law? How will they ever manage without a pack of un-elected bureaucrats in Brussels to tell them what they can and can not do?

Take back your borders and immigration decisions. Take back your courts and negotiate trade deals from a position of strength. As long as you are in, Goldman Sachs and the other investment bankers will continue to predict doom and gloom while serving their own interests. Tell the Euros they are SOL as to the 40 billion.

The UK reps have already been busy negotiating in Africa and Asia and now they have egg on their face, telling all these countries that it is all on hold for the moment. The German's still want to sell cars and a whole lot else. Their products will be more expensive under WTO rules so they will be ready to cut a deal once the Brits are OUT.

[RightGeek]

[TADSLOS]

[BillyBoy]

>> It is a form of democracy. It's a parliamentary democracy. The people still get to choose their government. The crown is the head of state, not the head of government and by law (in the UK) can have no say in the government. Yes in days gone by parlimentary governments prime ministers were chosen by the crown and then told to form a government but those days are long passed. I'm sure in the real world if the queen wants something done she can whisper in the PM's ear and have things done, but by law she cannot do it. As to whether they should have held a referendum, I personally am not in favor of referendums in general. I'm glad my state does not allow that. I don't like direct democracy because I think the passions of the people end up making bad policy and bad laws. What should have happened (IMO) is that a party should have been formed around that as the main issue <<

Ummm, a party WAS formed around that as the main issue. They're the UKIP. In fact, that was their ONLY issue. They didn't win any seats in parliment but they pressured the "major" parties to act on the issue, and the result was Brexit.

[epluribus_2]

Did Greece ever pay off its blood geld To Germany? I think they’ll get over it. It’s not about money it’s about maintaining ingrowing their empire.

[Old Teufel Hunden]

The UKIP was formed more than 20 years ago in opposition to the EU. However, the EU then when first formed was merely a customs union which IMO is a good thing. It has now become an extra government that makes laws and has courts that override the sovereignty of it’s members. That did not exist at first. The breaking point in the UK was the unbridled immigration from the middle east rammed through by Germany and Angela Merkel. That is when this movement began and that is of what I speak, a party being formed around that issue or the Tory’s adopting it as part of their platform and standing for election.

The problem was that not enough Torries believed in it and the UKIP was not large enough. Perhaps over time UKIP could have grown to be large enough to have a large say in the formation of the government. This is the problem IMO of the parliamentary form of government. They win elections by plurality, not majority. They then form coalitions around that to govern after the vote. In America we form the coalitions within the two party system before the vote and then win a majority.

As I said previously I don’t like referendums and there are other ways to deal with it. I think if they would have allowed the parliamentary democracy to work, the requisite mandate for this would have happened without the referendum.

[Old Teufel Hunden]

"If Theresa May is not being paid for being a saboteur, she should be."

I knew after the referendum when Cameron resigned and the Torries elected May to lead their party there was going to be problems. How could they elect May (a non Brexiter) to be the head negotiator? It should have been a Brexiter to be the next party head. After all, it's the most important governmental issue that the UK has had to deal with in probably the past 40 + years.