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To: Old Teufel Hunden
>> It is a form of democracy. It's a parliamentary democracy. The people still get to choose their government. The crown is the head of state, not the head of government and by law (in the UK) can have no say in the government. Yes in days gone by parlimentary governments prime ministers were chosen by the crown and then told to form a government but those days are long passed. I'm sure in the real world if the queen wants something done she can whisper in the PM's ear and have things done, but by law she cannot do it. As to whether they should have held a referendum, I personally am not in favor of referendums in general. I'm glad my state does not allow that. I don't like direct democracy because I think the passions of the people end up making bad policy and bad laws. What should have happened (IMO) is that a party should have been formed around that as the main issue <<

Ummm, a party WAS formed around that as the main issue. They're the UKIP. In fact, that was their ONLY issue. They didn't win any seats in parliment but they pressured the "major" parties to act on the issue, and the result was Brexit.

17 posted on 12/10/2018 9:56:05 AM PST by BillyBoy (States rights is NOT a suicide pact.)
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To: BillyBoy

The UKIP was formed more than 20 years ago in opposition to the EU. However, the EU then when first formed was merely a customs union which IMO is a good thing. It has now become an extra government that makes laws and has courts that override the sovereignty of it’s members. That did not exist at first. The breaking point in the UK was the unbridled immigration from the middle east rammed through by Germany and Angela Merkel. That is when this movement began and that is of what I speak, a party being formed around that issue or the Tory’s adopting it as part of their platform and standing for election.

The problem was that not enough Torries believed in it and the UKIP was not large enough. Perhaps over time UKIP could have grown to be large enough to have a large say in the formation of the government. This is the problem IMO of the parliamentary form of government. They win elections by plurality, not majority. They then form coalitions around that to govern after the vote. In America we form the coalitions within the two party system before the vote and then win a majority.

As I said previously I don’t like referendums and there are other ways to deal with it. I think if they would have allowed the parliamentary democracy to work, the requisite mandate for this would have happened without the referendum.


19 posted on 12/10/2018 10:49:02 AM PST by Old Teufel Hunden
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