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Marijuana legalization is a response to the failures of the war on drugs
VOX ^ | Nov 14, 2018 | German Lopez

Posted on 11/23/2018 8:58:41 AM PST by Red6

The debate over marijuana legalization is just one of the many ways the political landscape is changing as the US comes to terms with drug and criminal justice policies that many experts and Americans consider to have failed at a great cost to the nation’s liberty and finances.

The war on marijuana in particular has cost the US billions of dollars over decades, led to a black market for pot that criminal organizations use to fund violent operations, and contributed to the explosive growth of America’s incarcerated population, which is now the largest in the world. And despite those costs, millions of people still use marijuana — a drug that most Americans view as relatively safe.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Editorial; Government
KEYWORDS: cannabis; fakenews; freedon; liberalagenda; marijuana; medicalpot; medicine; pot; vox; voxfakenews; wod; wrongheadline
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To: wardaddy
I’m a conservative not a Republican ...

It’s just how we vote since we have no choice


this is usually where the suicidal bitter-enders start demanding a third party.
41 posted on 11/23/2018 9:47:29 AM PST by JohnBrowdie
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To: Red6

Marijuana is actively harmful to the vast majority of its users. I have known quite a few who used it for recreation and a few who claimed their use was medicinal. Only a very small number actually benefited - those taking it for nausea with chemo come to mind. If legalized, I would hope it would be considered as destructive as it really is.

That said, we have lost this battle. The question is not whether we will have users but whether we will have legal or illegal users, and legality is not going to change those numbers by much. I’d prefer to admit defeat and allow adults to harm themselves at will - with pot, alcohol, tobacco, etc.


42 posted on 11/23/2018 9:47:29 AM PST by Pollster1 ("Governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed")
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To: Red6

Put aside getting high ....

High CBD strains smoked and / or made into topical ointments give better relief from arthritis, migraines, epilespsy and other neurodegenerative or painful afflictions without getting high or having side effects.

The uses against cancer are already making their mark, again with little in the way of side affects.

The GOP should at the least support this aspect of MJ’s use


43 posted on 11/23/2018 9:48:03 AM PST by jcon40 (The other post before yours really nails it for me. I have been a DOithS / PC guy forever and alway)
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To: JohnBrowdie

“any more pithy rejoinders for me?”

It’s called “capitalizing” and it’s used often in standard English.

L


44 posted on 11/23/2018 9:48:28 AM PST by Lurker (President Trump isn't our last chance. President Trump is THEIR last chance.)
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To: lone star annie

One day Trump will likely decriminalize federally and that will be that

If not him next Dem sure will


45 posted on 11/23/2018 9:48:37 AM PST by wardaddy (I don’t care that you’re not a racist......when the shooting starts it won’t matter what yo)
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To: 38special

And that’s a tiny minority

I would have preferred it to stay medical permit only


46 posted on 11/23/2018 9:49:29 AM PST by wardaddy (I don’t care that you’re not a racist......when the shooting starts it won’t matter what yo)
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To: JohnBrowdie

You keep your hopes to the GOPe

Good luck


47 posted on 11/23/2018 9:51:27 AM PST by wardaddy (I don’t care that you’re not a racist......when the shooting starts it won’t matter what yo)
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To: Red6

We don’t have to be pro-legalization, we should just make it a state, not federal issue.


48 posted on 11/23/2018 9:54:04 AM PST by Behind the Blue Wall
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To: Republican Wildcat

Please provide this forum the LD50 of marijuana?


49 posted on 11/23/2018 9:57:54 AM PST by zek157
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To: Salvavida
Where in the Constitution is the Federal Government empowered to ban cannibus? Before anyone answers "the Commerce clause" (which is technically the mechanism through which most federal drug regulation springs...more on that later), keep in mind our predecessors had to pass the 18th Amendment to prohibit the manufacture, transportation, and sale of alcoholic beverages nationally...AND THEN pass the 23rd Amendment to repeal Prohibition.

The Commerce Clasue is undoubtedly one of the, if not THE, most abused and twisted elements of federal overreach. Conservatives and libertarians rightly rail against such abuse, while statists and Dems/lbs LOVE it.

Therefore, if anyone supports federal regulation of cannibus without a Constitutional Amendment, the rightful response is "Et tu, Brute?" Congratulations...you are a philosophical cousin of Nancy Pelosi, Hillary, Obama, the New Deal, the left wing of SCOTUS, Obamacare-lovers, and pretty much every two-bit left wing/Dem since the 1930s who tried to regulate away the right to keep and bear arms.

Once we have an honest admission about the legal mechanism, we can discuss the medical and social costs/benefits of cannibus, alcohol, tobacco, coffee, etc.

50 posted on 11/23/2018 9:59:15 AM PST by DoodleBob
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To: SaxxonWoods; Republican Wildcat

Saxxon - No deal. You need to amend the Constitution. The alcohol prohibition was tried once before. Little chance it is a winning issue this time around.

Pot(acute/chronic danger)...Alcohol(acute/chronic danger) ... Tobacco (chronic danger). A tobacco smoker isn’t impaired by smoking before operating a motor vehicle. A single drink may not impair a driver. Do people smoke one joint and not get a buzz? If so, what is the point of smoking a joint for recreational use?


51 posted on 11/23/2018 10:00:05 AM PST by Susquehanna Patriot (Evolution is the long term solution to Global Warming. So let's party while we can!)
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To: bert
outside the Republican party, conservatives are electorally impotent.

I agree with you that conservatives have a difficult time but it is because of the Republican party, not because many are not outside it.

For decades the GOP has shunned conservative interests, so much so that they endorsed the likes Arlene Spector over conservative Republican candidates.

52 posted on 11/23/2018 10:05:31 AM PST by gunsequalfreedom
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To: Red6

If we had put the criminal drug users in jail instead of the drug sellers this problem would have been over in a few years. I never have understood who thought the sellers were the problem.
There were too many upper class people whose sons were users, like Senator Shelby from Alabama, Ted Kennedy’s kids and nephews.
So they choose to put poor kids in jail for working where the money was
great and let their sons go free while breaking no laws yet we the true criminals.


53 posted on 11/23/2018 10:05:49 AM PST by Cottonpatch
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To: Lurker
It’s called “capitalizing” and it’s used often in standard English.
first, grammar nazis are boring. and they usually only become grammar nazis when they've lost the argument, and want to change the subject.

but to your point, if you want to spend the rest of your life as a slave to the shift key, then go with God. myself, I consider that rule of grammar to be non-binding.

54 posted on 11/23/2018 10:09:22 AM PST by JohnBrowdie
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To: DoodleBob

“Once we have an honest admission about the legal mechanism,...”

If we had an honest admission about the legal mechanism ... we would (re)discover the Constitution is actually one of limited powers to the federal government. The whole leftist-nanny state would implode (Medicare, Social Security, EPA, OSHA, federal gun laws, etc etc). That will not happen in my lifetime. That being said, incrementalism might happen if the GOP/right learn from how pot deconstructed a federal law by the states, and use its legal arguments and precedence on other federally mandated leftist laws. Then one day in the future, people might rediscover the original Constitution.


55 posted on 11/23/2018 10:09:37 AM PST by Susquehanna Patriot (Evolution is the long term solution to Global Warming. So let's party while we can!)
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To: DoodleBob

“Once we have an honest admission about the legal mechanism,...”

If we had an honest admission about the legal mechanism ... we would (re)discover the Constitution is actually one of limited powers to the federal government. The whole leftist-nanny state would implode (Medicare, Social Security, EPA, OSHA, federal gun laws, etc etc). That will not happen in my lifetime. That being said, incrementalism might happen if the GOP/right learn from how pot deconstructed a federal law by the states, and use its legal arguments and precedence on other federally mandated leftist laws. Then one day in the future, people might rediscover the original Constitution.


56 posted on 11/23/2018 10:09:38 AM PST by Susquehanna Patriot (Evolution is the long term solution to Global Warming. So let's party while we can!)
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To: Red6

Great post.

Yeah, IF Republicans were smart.

They’d also focus on the freedoms of sexual behavior as well. Instead of insisting on only allowing sexual behavior for procreation, missionary position, and you’d better not enjoy it. The constitution and freedom of lifestyle should be a thing for Republicans. They’d be known for live and let live, allowing sister wives and gay communes, and attract any freedom lovers including second amendment lovers etc.

But, like you say, it could only happen if Republicans were SMART.


57 posted on 11/23/2018 10:13:37 AM PST by Yaelle
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To: JohnBrowdie

yes what you said is pretty stupid. gaslight much?


58 posted on 11/23/2018 10:13:56 AM PST by 38special (For real, y'all.)
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To: JohnBrowdie

Rule of 65

If you are 65 or older, postings with minor spelling or grammer problems are autoforgiven


59 posted on 11/23/2018 10:14:19 AM PST by bert (to them (KE. N.P. N.C. +12) Invade Honduras. Provide a military government)
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To: kaktuskid

Until you can control THC levels


Maybe you haven’t spent much time in a dispensary.


60 posted on 11/23/2018 10:14:37 AM PST by Yaelle
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