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Abraham Lincoln, The Gettysburg Address, November 19, 1863
Many | November 19, 1863 | Abraham Lincoln

Posted on 11/19/2018 8:39:26 AM PST by EveningStar

Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this continent, a new nation, conceived in Liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal.

Now we are engaged in a great civil war, testing whether that nation, or any nation so conceived and so dedicated, can long endure. We are met on a great battle-field of that war. We have come to dedicate a portion of that field, as a final resting place for those who here gave their lives that that nation might live. It is altogether fitting and proper that we should do this.

But, in a larger sense, we can not dedicate -- we can not consecrate -- we can not hallow -- this ground. The brave men, living and dead, who struggled here, have consecrated it, far above our poor power to add or detract. The world will little note, nor long remember what we say here, but it can never forget what they did here. It is for us the living, rather, to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who fought here have thus far so nobly advanced. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us -- that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion -- that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain -- that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom -- and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.

Abraham Lincoln
November 19, 1863

Gettysburg Address as recited by Jeff Daniels.


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To: Bull Snipe
The orders to the Naval vessels was to fire only if they were fire upon first. Show me orders to the contrary.

Already have. The orders say that if they were "resisted." It didn't specify anything about being fired upon.

The word "resisted" could mean anything Captain Mercer wanted it to mean, and so it was pretty much open ended.

121 posted on 11/20/2018 10:24:43 AM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: DiogenesLamp

The lease is indefinite. It can only be terminated by agreement of both parties.

Just as the deed to the property on which Sumter was built.
It was granted to the Federal Government in perpetuity by the legitimate government of the State of South Carolina.


122 posted on 11/20/2018 10:24:48 AM PST by Bull Snipe
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To: DiogenesLamp
The courts would do what Lincoln said, especially after he issued an arrest warrant for Chief Justice Tanney.

Except that he didn't.

And no, I don't want to hear your denials of it. I've found adequate proof that this claim is true, and i've posted it for you in the past.

LOL! Yeah, what passes for "adequate proof" for you and what passed for "adequate proof" for every single Taney biographer out there don't seem to be remotely close.

123 posted on 11/20/2018 10:25:04 AM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: DiogenesLamp

Now you are given to reading captain mercers mind.


124 posted on 11/20/2018 10:26:06 AM PST by Bull Snipe
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To: DiogenesLamp
Not when the states reassumed their powers previously granted to the Federal government. Besides, they paid for it, and the rest of the Union didn't.

Except that they didn't.

So now is your chance to trot out your crap about tariffs again and past your artwork in. Don't say I didn't do anything for you.

125 posted on 11/20/2018 10:27:32 AM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: Bull Snipe
Never said they spoke for the majority.

This is implicit when you bring up these declarations of causes. You attempt to show that this was the motivation for all the Confederate states, and people who do it, deceptively omit the fact that it is only a few states making these statements, but they want to leave the impression that these few are speaking for all of them.

VA left in sympathy for the deep southern states and the they did not want to have to provide troops or serve as an invasion route once the war started.

So should have the rest. People didn't have to die over this. If everyone had simply minded their own business, a great tragedy would have been avoided.

126 posted on 11/20/2018 10:28:48 AM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: DiogenesLamp
Which along with the 13th and the 15th was a mockery of the constitutional process.

Your posts tend to attract a lot of mockery, or so I've noticed.

127 posted on 11/20/2018 10:28:53 AM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: Bull Snipe
Anderson did not fire on them until he had been fired on.

Had he not informed them that he would shoot at them, they would have left him alone. Telling them that he was going to fire at them left them no choice but to deal with him before the other belligerent force arrived to attack them.

128 posted on 11/20/2018 10:30:31 AM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: DiogenesLamp

Davis should have given that some thought before he ordered Beauregard to take Fort Sumter by force before it could be resupplied.


129 posted on 11/20/2018 10:30:51 AM PST by Bull Snipe
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To: DiogenesLamp

An officer is responsible for the defense of his position.
Anderson did not fire on Confederate forces until the fort was fired on.


130 posted on 11/20/2018 10:32:10 AM PST by Bull Snipe
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To: Bull Snipe
The notion that States would refuse to enforce Federal Law is a foreign concept to the founders who wrote the Constitution. This nonsense was made up well after the fact, and as a fig leaf excuse to allow states to renege on the agreement they had signed.

It was an explicit dodge of their agreed upon responsibility, and it is the same sort of "living constitution" "Penumbra" crap that liberals have always pulled to avoid following the Constitution as it was written.

Refusing to enforce Federal or Constitutional law is the road to dissolution and disaster.

But while we are on the subject, pray tell how the incorporation doctrine of the 14th amendment doesn't compel states to enforce federal law? I know it does when they want it to. Why doesn't it do it all the rest of the time as well?

131 posted on 11/20/2018 10:40:42 AM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: DoodleDawg
The correct way is spelled out in the Founders blueprint called the Declaration of Independence.

When summarized, it simply says "leave when you want."

132 posted on 11/20/2018 10:41:56 AM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: Bull Snipe
Just as the deed to the property on which Sumter was built.

All the land of the British Colonies was the property of the King of England, up until they declared independence. Afterwards the property belonged to them.

And yes, King George III had a perpetual lease too.

133 posted on 11/20/2018 10:43:38 AM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: Captain Jack Aubrey

Doesn’t look destroyed to me.


134 posted on 11/20/2018 10:43:53 AM PST by rockrr ( Everything is different now...)
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To: DoodleDawg
Except that he didn't.

Not going to bother with your denials. Lincoln's own bodyguard and friend attested that he did, and his claim is supported by two other contemporary accounts of it.

You can stick your fingers in your ears and go "la la la la la", but the rational among us accept the evidence that it really happened.

135 posted on 11/20/2018 10:45:37 AM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: Bull Snipe
Now you are given to reading captain mercers mind.

Not at all. Merely speculating as to how big of a blank check can be written based on the word "resistance."

It could mean whatever Mercer wanted it to mean.

136 posted on 11/20/2018 10:46:51 AM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: DoodleDawg
Except that they did. The financial proof even in the official record demonstrates clearly that the entire Federal Government was being paid primarily by the Southern states producing revenue.
137 posted on 11/20/2018 10:48:18 AM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: EveningStar

When I was a kid we had to memorize this speech in the 4th grade... it was a better time.


138 posted on 11/20/2018 10:50:01 AM PST by GOPJ (Watch this for our survival: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPjzfGChGlE)
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To: DoodleDawg
Not from anyone who's opinions I respect. You will always have the low class troublemakers jeering about topics outside their range of knowledge or understanding.
139 posted on 11/20/2018 10:50:11 AM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: Bull Snipe
Lincoln sent the war fleet. That is what precipitated the war. Lincolns cabinet told him it would, but he did it anyway. He would rather have a war than him and his New York backers losing money and power.
140 posted on 11/20/2018 10:51:43 AM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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