Posted on 11/19/2018 8:39:26 AM PST by EveningStar
Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this continent, a new nation, conceived in Liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal.
Now we are engaged in a great civil war, testing whether that nation, or any nation so conceived and so dedicated, can long endure. We are met on a great battle-field of that war. We have come to dedicate a portion of that field, as a final resting place for those who here gave their lives that that nation might live. It is altogether fitting and proper that we should do this.
But, in a larger sense, we can not dedicate -- we can not consecrate -- we can not hallow -- this ground. The brave men, living and dead, who struggled here, have consecrated it, far above our poor power to add or detract. The world will little note, nor long remember what we say here, but it can never forget what they did here. It is for us the living, rather, to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who fought here have thus far so nobly advanced. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us -- that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion -- that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain -- that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom -- and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.
Abraham Lincoln
November 19, 1863
Gettysburg Address as recited by Jeff Daniels.
Which along with the 13th and the 15th was a mockery of the constitutional process. One does not get ratification of an amendment by pointing guns at people. The pointing of guns renders "consent" null and void, because it is accomplished through duress.
This is an old principle of law that was deliberately ignored at the time because a valid process would not render the result the Dictator in Washington decreed.
Pray tell why did Virginia leave? What was their statement of causes?
Can the Cuban Government reclaim Guantanamo Bay once again reclaim it’s property for it’s own public interest
Never said they spoke for the majority. The spoke for the majority of the first 7 states to seceded. VA left in sympathy for the deep southern states and the they did not want to have to provide troops or serve as an invasion route once the war started.
Guaranteed by the US Constitution in Article IV, section 2. When the Constitution was written, the vast majority of the states were slave states. Even those that weren't, ratified the provision of the Constitution which recognized the right of states to hold people in servitude by the laws of their state.
People want to ignore this, but for four score and seven years, the *UNION* was a legalized slavery Union. Had it maintained real constitutional law, it would have remained a slave Union till at least 1896.
The Union did maintain legalized slavery for six months longer than did the Confederacy. Funny that.
Anderson did not fire on them until he had been fired on.
"Federal Property" made it impossible to leave it alone, because it threatened deadly force.
Has caused us no end of troubles and nonsense from "sanctuary cities" to illegal drug usage condoned by states.
Made up baloney. Deserves no respect at all. What kind of a system can we have when states are not required to enforce the laws of their own nation?
Utter nonsense ruling.
The orders to the Naval vessels was to fire only if they were fire upon first. Show me orders to the contrary.
Nobody had forgotten it in the subsequent 11 years after the Declaration was written.
The Southerner would have lauded that as “States Rights”. after all it was the violation of “States Rights” that drove them from the Union.
Already done that. The specific orders were written by his subordinates, and they clearly say to use "entire force" to place both men and munitions into the fort.
When one uses the terms "entire force" referring to warships, one means cannon fire.
You forgot the part about “if resisted.” (aka fired upon)
It would very much be a principle of states rights had they not specifically and explicitly signed it away by ratification of the US Constitution.
You can only moan about a state right that you didn't consent to give up. You cannot moan about one that you explicitly gave up.
So in other words, only Southern States rights counted for anything. Other states had to obey the federal government.
So in other words, only Southern States rights counted for anything. Other states had to obey the federal government.
Once the lease runs out. Cuba is a foreign government. It is not a participant in a divorce in which all parties are entitled to the property which they brought into the marriage.
What makes you think I haven't?
The Constitution describes how subsequent states are to be admitted to the Union by Congress. The Constitution does not describe how congress allows states to leave the Union. (Obviously, that means it doesn’t have the power.)
Why obviously? If the consent of the other states is required to join the Union to begin with, and consent of the other states is required for a state to split or combine with another or change their borders in any respect whatsoever then implied in that is that consent of the other states is required to leave as well.
The 9th and 10th Amendments reserve to the states and the people all powers not delegated to the US by the Constitution.
The need for the approval of the other states to leave is implied in Article I and Article IV. The courts have ruled that. Madison believed it. Who am I to disagree with them?
Let me try to make this clear to you. You voluntarily sign away a specific right, you no longer get to complain about not being allowed to exercise that specific right.
You don't want to be held to your agreement, don't sign it!
No problem. Do it correctly and there's no reason why you can't go your own way.
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