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Posted on 10/29/2018 9:10:42 PM PDT by Salvavida
My Honduran-born wife uses Facebook to keep in touch with her family in Honduras. Many posts are her thoughts on the topic of the day, and immigration and politics are certainly represented in what she posts. A little about my wife, she served as an interviewer inside of a US Consulate in Latin America, and is thoroughly familiar with immigration law, the process, and the plight of those wishing to visit or immigrate to the US. She is 100% against illegal immigration. Why? Among other things, she also served as a finance officer of a hospital in Northern Virginia, and saw it change hands as a result of immigrants using the Emergency Room as their primary care, and the draining of the charitable foundations that are typically put aside for Americans that cannot pay. My wife gets it. She knows where blessing comes from: American hearts and their taxes.
Naturally, her family responds to the posts and I thought it might be informative to the readership to know the mind of an average middle class family from Honduras. Note that in the past 20 years, my wife and I paid for medical school, law school, and refrigeration vocational-tech school.
A. Here is a summation of the responses from various family members, I distilled them into these main ideas:
- 1. Her family is upset that she is not "in solidarity" with them, and my wife "forgot where she came from."
- 2. They assert the migrants just want to work and to flee the gang violence.
- 3. Hondurans cannot change their government-- it's too corrupt, so the US is their only hope..
- 4. They generally had no concept of how Americans thought about this-- they are thinking it's POTUS and a minority. (Comment- This is courtesy of the leftist press there as well.)
- 5. From their point of view, everyone knows friends or family members here, and know they live a life substantially better than they will ever have. So what has changed to cause a border confrontation?
(Hint: DJT's politics)
B. Here are implications that were not considered from their arguments:
- 1. Law breaking. The end justifies the mean, situational ethics.
- 2. No understanding of the concept of taxes (most Central Americans are not taxed- a Value Added Tax (VAT) is added onto most sales, nor the financial burden Americans have (welfare, medical, children's schools, etc) shouldered.
- 3. No respect for what Americans have built, and what was sacrificed. They want to partake because being poor sucks.
C. How are illegals able to stay (everyone knows this from the immigrant side, it's the Americans that need education):
There are no consequences.
No government form of ID is required to get housing.
No one comes after an over-stayed visa.
Access to school is free.
Saturation of pro-immigrant lawyers in the US.
D. Conclusion: The time has come to where migrants want your stuff, and there is nothing detering them. They have abandoned being citizens of their own countries. They are incapable of governing themselves, and being governed. They certainly do not think like Americans nor anything in which we value. Their system doesn't produce responsible, moral citizens. It produces a people that wants stuff. And they want it now.
I prefer USA to go down there and teach *them* to entrepreneur and Constitution, if you get my drift.
Seriously, the USA probably needs to recognize the rise of Communist influence there and give them a run for their money there. Leaving a vacuum does not seem wise, it seems to feed a threat to the South of the USA.
The average latino has no idea about responsibility of social contracts to maintain a country. From their perspective, rich people take care of that.
The average latino has no idea about responsibility of social contracts to maintain a country. From their perspective, rich people take care of that.
My wife of MANY years is from Central Mexico. Almost the same paradigm. It is all so sad. My wife has assimilated, though, and voted straight Republican. Stick that in your pipe and smoke it, Latin America.
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It goes deeper than that. I just asked my wife this question and she points out (as I did), that EVERYONE knows someone here. All 16 million. They know the stories and their capacity to find work. Also, Mexico doesn't have the safety net of welfare.
Lastly, Hondurans and Central Americans in general, do not have a lot of sympathy for Mexicans, knowing that Mexicans go to the US all the time due to their proximity.
And your take, if you know, on the Communist influence, regardless where it comes from, there, in education and the Catholic influence of old.
(I know the Marxists openly use the Church, today, but we never countered it then.)
We (USA) have not countered it, but for exercises in stopping the gun running, do you think?
I am remembering The Christero’s of Mexico, martyred Catholics themselves, against the Communist planted president in the 1920’s for the sake of the faith.
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Sorry I missed that, great point.
Socialism is a fact of life. They grow up with it and are conditioned to look to the government for solutions. If I could summarize succinctly what they lack, it would be the inability to think critically, organize, and solve societal and governmental problems (employ logic). They are too fashioned after emotional arguments.
While most Hispanics are Catholic, it seems obvious that they do not attend church and/or practice the religion.
YOU make my point, much better. I like where your coming from. It’s about SOLVING the problem, not continuing in a policy of reacting. The Marshall Plan... hmmm. Great idea.
That’s what much more what I’m thinking. It is an arduous task over the course of coming years, going forward, for the USA to begin to engage the “socialist”/Communist front that is darn sure present there. It will always be a threat.
It is inarguable that the current run of hordes of invaders shall be STOPPED, but, looking to the future is my point, as well. I can promise that the USA will have to engage against the Communist influence, in the Americas. What do we want to do?
Either, with war guns, or with education and missionaries? The USA can not sit on its snooty laurels and ignore a rising threat of the enemy in the Americas.
Leaving a vacuum down there is an invitation to trouble.
As an immigrant myself from India (arrived as grad student in engineering in 1960) I like your post!
I don’t think we should say if or not what their faith is.....our nation itself isn’t exactly on it’s toes regarding the things of God but I think it’s trying to now in whatever Christian denomination they belong....and not.
Total side note: I joined the Army as an atheist and got saved while on TDY in Honduras.
Yes, they do.
And it knows what to do with respect to the border.
So with that conditioning ‘their expectations’ of being cared for by our Government are going to be high..and if they aren’t give those we will see them in the streets here demanding more? ..We’ve clearly seen this across the nation with other groups who have come in.
Good Christians should volunteer to help at the new tent cities. These immigrants should be given literature about the founding of America, our Constitution and how and why American Capitalism works.
Educate them, pray with them, give them the gospel then send them home.
That’s how we can change their home countries.
Even if that’s not possible, President Trump should use the military to educate them about how and why America works and encourage them to make their own country great when they return.
Thank you. Informative!!
Costa Rica is a very rich country and Honduras is very poor. The citizens of Costa Rica have known all their lives that they could be over run by their poor neighbors. Hence they maintain their border.
As to free stuff, I do not know their social safety net policy, but I do know that if you can’t get in, the policy will not apply to you.
My knowledge of immigration policies is limited, I once considered moving there, as the cost of living is lower than the US and the country is beautiful. (Many from the US do make Costa Rica their home.)
Here is a link that shows that they do have a merit system involving self support: https://www.costaricaimmigration.com/immigration.htm
It’s not about our ‘feeling’ or not for the people. It’s about hoards coming in mass with the expectations our Government should take care of them.
Every immigrant who comes here legally has a story. I’ve heard many. Ad they all say they will work until they find they can work the system and do better not working.
We just got millions off the free ride so does that give masses the green light now that it’s their turn ?
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