Posted on 10/29/2018 9:10:42 PM PDT by Salvavida
My Honduran-born wife uses Facebook to keep in touch with her family in Honduras. Many posts are her thoughts on the topic of the day, and immigration and politics are certainly represented in what she posts. A little about my wife, she served as an interviewer inside of a US Consulate in Latin America, and is thoroughly familiar with immigration law, the process, and the plight of those wishing to visit or immigrate to the US. She is 100% against illegal immigration. Why? Among other things, she also served as a finance officer of a hospital in Northern Virginia, and saw it change hands as a result of immigrants using the Emergency Room as their primary care, and the draining of the charitable foundations that are typically put aside for Americans that cannot pay. My wife gets it. She knows where blessing comes from: American hearts and their taxes.
Naturally, her family responds to the posts and I thought it might be informative to the readership to know the mind of an average middle class family from Honduras. Note that in the past 20 years, my wife and I paid for medical school, law school, and refrigeration vocational-tech school.
A. Here is a summation of the responses from various family members, I distilled them into these main ideas:
- 1. Her family is upset that she is not "in solidarity" with them, and my wife "forgot where she came from."
- 2. They assert the migrants just want to work and to flee the gang violence.
- 3. Hondurans cannot change their government-- it's too corrupt, so the US is their only hope..
- 4. They generally had no concept of how Americans thought about this-- they are thinking it's POTUS and a minority. (Comment- This is courtesy of the leftist press there as well.)
- 5. From their point of view, everyone knows friends or family members here, and know they live a life substantially better than they will ever have. So what has changed to cause a border confrontation?
(Hint: DJT's politics)
B. Here are implications that were not considered from their arguments:
- 1. Law breaking. The end justifies the mean, situational ethics.
- 2. No understanding of the concept of taxes (most Central Americans are not taxed- a Value Added Tax (VAT) is added onto most sales, nor the financial burden Americans have (welfare, medical, children's schools, etc) shouldered.
- 3. No respect for what Americans have built, and what was sacrificed. They want to partake because being poor sucks.
C. How are illegals able to stay (everyone knows this from the immigrant side, it's the Americans that need education):
There are no consequences.
No government form of ID is required to get housing.
No one comes after an over-stayed visa.
Access to school is free.
Saturation of pro-immigrant lawyers in the US.
D. Conclusion: The time has come to where migrants want your stuff, and there is nothing detering them. They have abandoned being citizens of their own countries. They are incapable of governing themselves, and being governed. They certainly do not think like Americans nor anything in which we value. Their system doesn't produce responsible, moral citizens. It produces a people that wants stuff. And they want it now.
But Rubio said these Latinos wanting to come here were all entrepreneurs and Constitutionalists.
Try again. The real number is closer to 60 million.
But most Americans pay an average of that much in car expenses every month or two, between gas, insurance, maintenance, license and registration renewals and inspections, with or without a car payment. Maybe they don't have a car, so the stroller is not out of proportion to their expenses, especially if they also use it to do shopping at traditional outdoor markets.
” Hondurans cannot change their government— it’s too corrupt, so the US is their only hope..”
How is this any different than the America of the Deep State? We are not supposed to be able to change our government either. And when we do something unexpected, like elect an outsider, the government fights him and us with everything it has so that it doesn’t change.
Illegal immigration is how the Honduran government bleeds off the pressure. If we stop it, the pressure will build and they find they have the ability to change their government. It may not be a peaceful change there, but “escape” is merely the means that the government uses there to preserve its own power. They need to learn that first.
Sarah Huckabee Sanders. Devin Nunes.
Thank you for this.
“They have abandoned being citizens of their own countries” Except they’re waving flags of their countries and not one USA flag.
As is usually the case ..those that who have immigrated here legally, especially from 3rd world hell holes, have a better perspective than many of are so called “leaders”.
Because they are not required to speak English in the US.
Worse.. we cater to them and speak Spanish...huh?
Fixed it. Otherwise, agree 100%.
Thanks for the personal report, S.
Many years ago, before the left took over universities, a prof said America was a tossed salad rather than a melting pot. He was right. That’s one of the few things I’ve carried and held close.
It doesn’t sound like we’re going to repel them before they reach US soil. Word today is the concertina wire and troops aren’t to defend the country but to funnel them into centers.
They’ve invaded, not assimilated, my community. I can’t go anywhere without hearing Spanish and getting the stink eye. I haven’t set foot in our one Whataburger because they’ve taken it over and don’t take kindly to white folk coming in.
I'm sure there are things we could do which could bring pain to the Honduran ruling class.
Fifteen or so years ago, there were guesstimates of one of every 8 people in the US being an illegal. That number is bound to be worse today.
Outstanding post! Albion, thank you for the ping.
So, Salvavida, what stands out for me is the ignorance (lack of common education) and the void of religion (old Catholic influence) once thought to be better attributed to the lower Americas.
Can you speak to these influences? Did they ever exist? When did education and religion wane of influence?
War and communism may have certainly had its effects.
Thank you for your "on the inside" post.
There's a big problem, because their mindset goes wherever they go. They think that leaving a geographic place is the solution because they can't think past today's free stuff from America, nor have any thought of whose trajectory is actually changed [as the locusts descend].
Their corner of America morphs into the place they left because they brought it with them. We've seen that with internal population shifts.
Huge difference from people who were born abroad, but with an American spirit, heart, and mind. America has always welcomed them home, but the enemy took advantage, sowing the pathways with destructive ingrates.
Americans are then demonized for discerning any difference between those who come to build, and those who come to destroy.
God bless and keep President Trump. The man was born for one of the most important missions in the history of the world. The man is a builder, named Trump. Only God could set that up, which is the reason I maintain a solid hope in the future.
Thanks for the ping, AW.
Newsflash: the left took over the universities in the 1920s and 30s. But their plan was a long-range, “gradualist” takover of all social and political establishments (Gramsci's “long march through the institutions”) and their motto was “make haste slowly.” They had been working with stealth until the Clinton-Bush-Obama years, when they all started coming out of the closet.
Now Trump is the fall guy being blamed for “divisiveness”, when the divisions were already deeply in place. He is saying, “either we have a country or we don't. We have borders or we don’t have a country.” And the sheep are waking up, but they're still listening to the propagandists claiming all this “division” has happened since Trump announced in mid-2015.
You know.. this account makes me wonder about something.
Remember when Heidi Cruz took a blistering for representing Goldman Sachs, on that North American Union effort proposal/or whatever was going on, with other nations I believe?
Trump is so open and honest, and delivers such a sense of right and wrong, unabashedly, whether one agrees or disagrees. At the time, we had pols that didn’t know how to be honest. Wouldn’t tell us a damn thing. Trust was zero. A good intention was kept in secret, because that’s the way DC wanted it. We were too stupid, you know..
So I wonder if what this story suggests is why there was great interest in helping out the lower Americas?
I hated it when that story emerged, and raised cane against Cruz over it. That North American Union thing/effort was an overnight revelation. No one had explained it, but for want of plundering the southern Americas.
Doubtless, there would be no small degree of a “corporate” attitude to go down there into Central and South America and plunder their natural resources, but also, there must be politicians who saw the inroads being made by the Communist Left, down there because we have left a vacuum.
Will it be something to look at, in the future? In order to keep the USA constant and secure on our borders, will we need to move into Central and South America in some capacity and go toe to toe with the Communist influence, in education and bring the old nuns back in to build their old heritage, or what?
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Excellent point.
Catholic or most any other education has little to no influence in every day life. From my experience having both lived and worked in Central America, it's symbolic. No one is meditating on God's Word for directing lives other than the prosperity Gospel that Pentecostalism offers. The overall culture bares that out.
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