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Crash victim text messaged that limo was in ‘terrible condition’ before accident killed 20
FoxNews.com ^ | Oct 8, 2018 | Benjamin Brown | Fox News

Posted on 10/08/2018 7:04:14 AM PDT by ETL

A limousine that crashed and killed 20 people in upstate New York on Saturday was reportedly in “terrible condition,” and was a replacement vehicle after the group’s rented bus broke down before reaching its destination.

All 18 inside the vehicle were killed, along with two bystanders after the 2001 Ford Excursion limousine – believed to be headed to a birthday party -- ran through an intersection and struck a parked 2015 Toyota Highlander outside the Apple Barrel Country Store.

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The limousine was traveling southwest on state Route 30 in Schoharie, about 170 miles north of New York City and 43 miles west of Albany, when it went through the intersection with Route 30A and struck the parked Toyota Highlander.

The site of the crash is notorious for accidents and has a been a point of concern among local residents for years.

"More accidents than I can count," Jessica Kirby, managing director of the Apple Barrel Country Store and Cafe told the AP in an email. "We have been asking for something to be done for years."

The intersection underwent construction in 2008 following a deadly accident, Kirby told the AP.

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Schoharie Town Supervisor Alan Tavenner told the Times Union of Albany that transportation officials attempted to make the intersection safer about seven years ago.

The improvements, however, didn’t seem to work.

"There have been tractor trailers that have come barreling down that hill and it was a miracle they didn't kill somebody," Tavenner said.

"I honestly think it was a more dangerous intersection than it was before," he told The New York Times.

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TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events; US: New York
KEYWORDS: automotive; centralnewyork; newyork; ntsb; schoharie; upstatenewyork
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To: ETL
He may have jammed on the brakes and swerved into the parked car.

No brakes, car was in overflow parking area and limo just hit a portion of it. Sounds like 60+mph into a ditch/embankment...dead stop.

41 posted on 10/08/2018 7:40:28 AM PDT by 1Old Pro
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To: nikos1121

Passengers were people around 30-years old.

Still trying to wrap my head around how they _all_ died. My guess is few or no one was belted in and they all knocked their heads on something or one another.


42 posted on 10/08/2018 7:40:46 AM PDT by BradyLS (DO NOT FEED THE BEARS!)
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Image result for new york map schoharie route 30Image result for 20 killed in Schoharie limo
43 posted on 10/08/2018 7:41:29 AM PDT by ETL (Obama-Hillary, REAL Russia collusion! Uranium-One Deal, Missile Defense, Iran Deal, Nukes: Click ETL)
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To: ETL

The news I heard on the radio said two pedestrians were also struck and killed, yeeesh.

Freegards


44 posted on 10/08/2018 7:41:36 AM PDT by Ransomed
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To: Notthereyet
Nothing about the driver yet? The family of the driver must be going through hell as well.

The ties could be seen in the ditch as they were recovered after the limo was pulled out. The driver's wife gave an interview at 9am, I missed it.

45 posted on 10/08/2018 7:41:50 AM PDT by 1Old Pro
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To: All
Image result for apple barrel schoharie map new york
46 posted on 10/08/2018 7:42:36 AM PDT by ETL (Obama-Hillary, REAL Russia collusion! Uranium-One Deal, Missile Defense, Iran Deal, Nukes: Click ETL)
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To: Ransomed
The news I heard on the radio said two pedestrians were also struck and killed

Yes, apparently two people in the Apple Barrel country store parking lot.

47 posted on 10/08/2018 7:43:55 AM PDT by ETL (Obama-Hillary, REAL Russia collusion! Uranium-One Deal, Missile Defense, Iran Deal, Nukes: Click ETL)
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To: Little Pig

A seatbelt in a sideways seat would just more easily snap a neck. Only the 2/3 people in the far back front-facing seats would have a chance at survival with seat belts.


48 posted on 10/08/2018 7:45:09 AM PDT by palmer (...if we do not have strong families and strong values, then we will be weak and we will not survive)
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To: All
Crash site is not far from the famous Howe Caverns.

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49 posted on 10/08/2018 7:48:44 AM PDT by ETL (Obama-Hillary, REAL Russia collusion! Uranium-One Deal, Missile Defense, Iran Deal, Nukes: Click ETL)
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To: ETL

Shut up and pay yer taxes, peasant...


50 posted on 10/08/2018 7:49:06 AM PDT by kiryandil (Never pick a fight with an angry beehive)
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To: Notthereyet

Look at image 5 of 8 here. two tires pulled out of ditch, totally separated from wheel hub. These are attached with hardened steep lugs, hard to break is an understatement.

https://www.timesunion.com/news/article/Four-sisters-newlyweds-celebrating-birthday-13288852.php#photo-16293280


51 posted on 10/08/2018 7:49:51 AM PDT by 1Old Pro
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To: cuban leaf
My brake lines rusted out on my fairly late model Chevy Pickup. Luckily, nobody died when my brake pedal went to the floor. It makes me wonder if we had a brake failure here.

I recently had a front brake line rubber hose blow out on my 2003 Jeep Liberty. Luckily I was just pulling out of a parking spot when it happened, so when the pedal sunk to the floor I was only going 3 MPH, and pumping the brakes provided some pedal resistance and braking action.

It's almost certainly a brake failure that caused this accident. That, or a strange jihad attack.

52 posted on 10/08/2018 7:49:59 AM PDT by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: cuban leaf

Sounds like brake failure is an option, no skid marks.


53 posted on 10/08/2018 7:51:17 AM PDT by 1Old Pro
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To: Newbomb Turk
Sadly they don't. Its hard to modify brakes to properly slow down that much weight with just 4 tires. Remember the contact patch between the road and the tire is about the size of a 3x5 card.

Yep. You have a vehicle with tires and brakes which were designed for the standard size vehicle, being expected to work for a vehicle with 2-3 times the weight.

54 posted on 10/08/2018 7:51:18 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 ("Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities." -- Voltaire)
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To: ETL

Stretch limos are the new Duck Boat.


55 posted on 10/08/2018 7:51:54 AM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: PapaBear3625

18 people at 150 pounds is over 3,000 pounds, that’s hard to stop if the car was going 60+mph at the bottom of the hill. Driver was said to be not from thee, so it’s either he didn’t know thee was a stop sign or the brakes totally failed.


56 posted on 10/08/2018 7:53:34 AM PDT by 1Old Pro
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To: 1Old Pro
The tires could be seen in the ditch as they were recovered after the limo was pulled out.

Image result for apple barrel schoharie map new york

Image result for apple barrel schoharie map new york

57 posted on 10/08/2018 7:53:39 AM PDT by ETL (Obama-Hillary, REAL Russia collusion! Uranium-One Deal, Missile Defense, Iran Deal, Nukes: Click ETL)
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To: cuban leaf

My Willys jeep brakes have to be reworked completely due to age and rust.

Hopefully in December, I will send it off for all the underneath surgery it needs.

No lift here and my back and knees don’t handle concrete well.


58 posted on 10/08/2018 7:54:08 AM PDT by wally_bert (I will competently make sure the thing is done incompetently.)
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To: 1Old Pro
18 people at 150 pounds is over 3,000 pounds, that’s hard to stop if the car was going 60+mph at the bottom of the hill.

That's the story in a nut shell. Plus it was a T-intersection. Nowhere to go.

59 posted on 10/08/2018 7:55:12 AM PDT by ETL (Obama-Hillary, REAL Russia collusion! Uranium-One Deal, Missile Defense, Iran Deal, Nukes: Click ETL)
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To: wally_bert

If I end up doing the job myself on my Z71, I’m probably going to rewroute a couple of lines. Especially the right front.


60 posted on 10/08/2018 7:56:03 AM PDT by cuban leaf
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