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Crash victim text messaged that limo was in ‘terrible condition’ before accident killed 20
FoxNews.com ^ | Oct 8, 2018 | Benjamin Brown | Fox News

Posted on 10/08/2018 7:04:14 AM PDT by ETL

A limousine that crashed and killed 20 people in upstate New York on Saturday was reportedly in “terrible condition,” and was a replacement vehicle after the group’s rented bus broke down before reaching its destination.

All 18 inside the vehicle were killed, along with two bystanders after the 2001 Ford Excursion limousine – believed to be headed to a birthday party -- ran through an intersection and struck a parked 2015 Toyota Highlander outside the Apple Barrel Country Store.

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The limousine was traveling southwest on state Route 30 in Schoharie, about 170 miles north of New York City and 43 miles west of Albany, when it went through the intersection with Route 30A and struck the parked Toyota Highlander.

The site of the crash is notorious for accidents and has a been a point of concern among local residents for years.

"More accidents than I can count," Jessica Kirby, managing director of the Apple Barrel Country Store and Cafe told the AP in an email. "We have been asking for something to be done for years."

The intersection underwent construction in 2008 following a deadly accident, Kirby told the AP.

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Schoharie Town Supervisor Alan Tavenner told the Times Union of Albany that transportation officials attempted to make the intersection safer about seven years ago.

The improvements, however, didn’t seem to work.

"There have been tractor trailers that have come barreling down that hill and it was a miracle they didn't kill somebody," Tavenner said.

"I honestly think it was a more dangerous intersection than it was before," he told The New York Times.

(Excerpt) Read more at foxnews.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events; US: New York
KEYWORDS: automotive; centralnewyork; newyork; ntsb; schoharie; upstatenewyork
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Full title: New York crash victim text messaged that limo was in ‘terrible condition’ before accident killed 20

There is lots more at the link. Had to excerpt to 300 words.

1 posted on 10/08/2018 7:04:14 AM PDT by ETL
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2 posted on 10/08/2018 7:04:52 AM PDT by ETL (Obama-Hillary, REAL Russia collusion! Uranium-One Deal, Missile Defense, Iran Deal, Nukes: Click ETL)
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To: ETL

Lawsuits were had by all..................


3 posted on 10/08/2018 7:08:10 AM PDT by Red Badger (Q............PREPARE FOR 'SKY IS FALLING' WEEK...........................)
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To: ETL

Young people old people? Who were in the limousine?


4 posted on 10/08/2018 7:08:19 AM PDT by nikos1121
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To: ETL

Awful. I expected the limo to be in much worse shape, considering everyone was killed. So sad.


5 posted on 10/08/2018 7:08:44 AM PDT by No Socialist
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To: ETL

Here’s a listing for a similar vehicle. These are modified vehicles, they don’t come from the factory this way and don’t have the safety features a factory vehicle would. The seating capacity is listed as 25. Notice the seats are along the sides.

https://limoforsale.com/limos-for-sale/ford/excursion/2001-ford-excursion-suv-stretch-limo-ultra-1818.html


6 posted on 10/08/2018 7:10:14 AM PDT by Moonman62 (Give a man a fish and he'll be a Democrat. Teach a man to fish and he'll be a responsible citizen.)
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7 posted on 10/08/2018 7:10:22 AM PDT by ETL (Obama-Hillary, REAL Russia collusion! Uranium-One Deal, Missile Defense, Iran Deal, Nukes: Click ETL)
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To: nikos1121

https://www.syracuse.com/state/index.ssf/2018/10/upstate_ny_limo_crash_what_we_know_about_the_20_victims.html


8 posted on 10/08/2018 7:10:24 AM PDT by jalisco555 ("In a Time of Universal Deceit Telling the Truth Is a Revolutionary Act" - George Orwell)
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9 posted on 10/08/2018 7:11:41 AM PDT by ETL (Obama-Hillary, REAL Russia collusion! Uranium-One Deal, Missile Defense, Iran Deal, Nukes: Click ETL)
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To: No Socialist

Me too. I still can’t fathom 18 people ALL being killed. It wasn’t torn in half. It didn’t burn. It was going fast, but not THAT fast. Very sad.


10 posted on 10/08/2018 7:11:48 AM PDT by bigdaddy45
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To: jalisco555
Thanks for the link.

Here's what we know about the limo's passengers, according to the New York Times and other reports:


11 posted on 10/08/2018 7:12:36 AM PDT by ETL (Obama-Hillary, REAL Russia collusion! Uranium-One Deal, Missile Defense, Iran Deal, Nukes: Click ETL)
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To: bigdaddy45

But remember no one inside was wearing seatbelts


12 posted on 10/08/2018 7:14:12 AM PDT by Mom MD ( .)
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To: ETL

A year 2001 limo? Who in the hell keeps such old crap as rentals? Most rental companies have a planned service life for their vehicles, which I think is something like 3 years or so, then auctions them off.

That vehicle sounds like a “down & outer” special.

I feel sorry for the people that were killed, but if they knew it was in poor shape, they should have opted for something safer. Poor judgement.


13 posted on 10/08/2018 7:14:47 AM PDT by redfreedom (Gun control has proven success! (Such as in Hitler's Germany & Stalin's Russia))
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To: bigdaddy45

Those modified stretch limos look so unsafe. How well do the brakes work? How can you maneuver them? Plus, as pointed out above the seats are along the sides, meaning the seat belts don’t protect in a front end collision.


14 posted on 10/08/2018 7:14:47 AM PDT by jalisco555 ("In a Time of Universal Deceit Telling the Truth Is a Revolutionary Act" - George Orwell)
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To: No Socialist
Awful. I expected the limo to be in much worse shape, considering everyone was killed. So sad.

Can't see the front. Sounds like no braking, 60+mph straight into an embankment - instant stop. Forceful enough for tires to come off hubs so not hard to imagine the force the passengers had endured when thrown forward, blunt force injuries.

15 posted on 10/08/2018 7:15:12 AM PDT by 1Old Pro
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To: nikos1121

young group apparently going on birthday wine/brewery tour to celebrate a 30th of one of 4 sisters in the car.


16 posted on 10/08/2018 7:16:17 AM PDT by 1Old Pro
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To: No Socialist

Yeah me too. No sear belts?


17 posted on 10/08/2018 7:16:42 AM PDT by A_Former_Democrat ("Moderates/Independents/Non-voters" Are DIMS REALLY who you'd want BACK in POWER?)
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To: nikos1121

4 sisters and their spouses were in the limo.


18 posted on 10/08/2018 7:17:15 AM PDT by gcparent (Justice Brett Kavanaugh)
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To: redfreedom
I feel sorry for the people that were killed, but if they knew it was in poor shape, they should have opted for something safer.

"limousine that crashed and killed 20 people in upstate New York on Saturday was reportedly in “terrible condition,” and was a replacement vehicle after the group’s rented bus broke down before reaching its destination."

19 posted on 10/08/2018 7:18:24 AM PDT by ETL (Obama-Hillary, REAL Russia collusion! Uranium-One Deal, Missile Defense, Iran Deal, Nukes: Click ETL)
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To: bigdaddy45
. It was going fast, but not THAT fast

60mph to 0 in a dead stop. Passengers unrestrained. If tires can separate from wheel hub with 5-8 hardened steel bolts, imagine what that might do to a neck. Tragic.

20 posted on 10/08/2018 7:18:39 AM PDT by 1Old Pro
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