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ATF study reveals where criminals in Baltimore are getting their guns
hotair.com ^ | 8/20/2018 | Jazz Shaw

Posted on 08/20/2018 11:11:29 AM PDT by rktman

Thousands of guns recovered in Maryland last year traced back to 49 states, but the largest portion of firearms was bought locally…

ATF agents were able to determine where nearly 5,900 of the firearms were sold, according to a new analysis by the ATF, which publishes the findings of its gun traces each year.

Some 47 percent were bought in Maryland, the ATF found. Virginia ranked second and supplied about 15 percent of the guns. Pennsylvania came third with nearly 7 percent.

Some firearms were bought as far away as Texas (101 guns) and California (46 guns).

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Philosophy; US: California; US: Maryland; US: Pennsylvania; US: Texas; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: 2ndamendment; baltimore; banglist; california; gunfreezones; gunshows; maryland; ms13; nra; pennsylvania; privatesellers; secondamendment; texas; virginia
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But, but, but. Mail order isn't the #1 way?
1 posted on 08/20/2018 11:11:29 AM PDT by rktman
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I’m going to go out on a limb and say....other criminals?


2 posted on 08/20/2018 11:12:32 AM PDT by relictele
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To: rktman

And I would be willing to wager that nearly 100% were either stolen or straw purchased.


3 posted on 08/20/2018 11:15:14 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Qui me amat, amat et canem meum.)
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And how many of these guns confiscated from criminals were purchased legally from gun shops by said criminals?

Oooh, oooh, Mr. Kotter, pick me. I know, I know Mr. Kotter.

Zero


4 posted on 08/20/2018 11:15:54 AM PDT by cyclotic ( WeÂ’re the first ones taxed, the last ones considered and the first ones punished)
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To: relictele

It is a well known fact that the best way to reduce the gun sales by criminal gangs who sell from their car trunks in the hood at night is to increase the paperwork burden on folks that buy guns legally from places like Cabela’s and gun shows. < / sarcasm >


5 posted on 08/20/2018 11:19:28 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (ObaMao: Fake America, Fake Messiah, Fake Black man. How many fakes can you fit into one Zer0?)
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To: rktman
Hey! Know what?! Guns in that sewer of a city is not the problem!

The cupcakes in charge can either enforce the law, even when it comes to the ghetto babies, or just ignore the problem altogether (which is what liberals do in the first place).

Guns are irrelevant. Criminals are the problem.

"Thus endeth the lesson."

6 posted on 08/20/2018 11:30:39 AM PDT by LouAvul (The most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever he will.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Ping!


7 posted on 08/20/2018 11:31:37 AM PDT by Albion Wilde (Interrupt Obama and reporters are racist; interrupt Trump and they're heroes. --Mark Levin)
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Since ATF is supposed to monitor sales, it sounds like they are NOT doing their job.
In reality, they just collect taxes.


8 posted on 08/20/2018 11:33:43 AM PDT by Zathras
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To: rktman
Stringer Bell gets them


9 posted on 08/20/2018 11:44:19 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12) Sanctuary is Sedition)
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They started tracking guns used in shootings in Oakland, CA and were shocked to learn that over 1/2 came from one gun store. Turned out the “baby mamas” were straw purchasing for the gang bangers. Not one was ever arrested or prosecuted and the study was dropped and buried.


10 posted on 08/20/2018 11:48:30 AM PDT by atomic_dog
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I figure they might be getting them from Chicago. The Chicago hoods don’t like them because they rarely hit their target. /s


11 posted on 08/20/2018 11:49:51 AM PDT by ken in texas
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So they were able to determine that America has guns and should feel bad that Baltimore gets them from us?

Seems like a stupid thought.


12 posted on 08/20/2018 12:01:06 PM PDT by The Toll
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To: rktman

Are they citizens?

Don’t they have a right?


13 posted on 08/20/2018 12:08:44 PM PDT by Celerity
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Did they trace the origins of the criminals? Where did they come from?


14 posted on 08/20/2018 12:19:48 PM PDT by Hugh the Scot ("The days of being a keyboard commando are over. It's time to get some bloody knuckles." -Drew68)
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To: cyclotic

“Oooh, oooh, Mr. Kotter, pick me. I know, I know Mr. Kotter.”

Chortle, snort...


15 posted on 08/20/2018 12:35:01 PM PDT by Gen.Blather
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And how many of these guns confiscated from criminals were purchased legally from gun shops by said criminals? Oooh, oooh, Mr. Kotter, pick me. I know, I know Mr. Kotter. Zero

Well then, let's increase restrictions for lawful purchases, that ought to solve the problem.

16 posted on 08/20/2018 12:38:30 PM PDT by 1Old Pro
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But wait a minute, I thought they were most all picked up at Gun shows using a loop hole, followed closely by Internet sales without background checks?

Please don’t tell me we been lied to. My world would be shattered. /s


17 posted on 08/20/2018 1:33:30 PM PDT by VRWCarea51 (The Original 1998 Version)
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To: VRWCarea51
Possibly the bad guys are 3-D printing them with play-DOH and baking them to make them tougher. ⚗🖨🔥🔫
18 posted on 08/20/2018 1:38:04 PM PDT by rktman (Enlis ted in the Navy in '67 to protect folks rights to strip my rights. WTH?)
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Gun Control Homer Simpson moment. “....The reality hinted at by this data is that criminals who are willing to commit gun crimes are also willing to violate gun control laws when obtaining their firearms. I know… I was totally shocked too. (/sarc).....”
19 posted on 08/20/2018 1:39:14 PM PDT by Robert357 ( Dan Rather was discharged as "medically unfit" on May 11, 1954.)
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Thousands of guns recovered in Maryland last year traced back to 49 states, but the largest portion of firearms was bought locally…

Where the guns in possession of criminals were purchased is of no importance.

What the criminals were doing with the guns in their possession is of utmost importance.

Gun control legislation dating all the way back to the original National Firearms Act of 1934 have done little to stop or deter the use of firearms in the commission of crime.

This is very simply the nature of crime and criminals. Criminals do not respect laws and ignore laws when pursuing the objective of their crime.

If a firearm will facilitate their objective in crime they will obtain a firearm and use it in the commission of said crime. If it is necessary, that they commit a crime to gain the possession of a firearm that fact is not a deterrent to achieving that end.

Laws limit the actions of the lawful not the lawless. This is not a difficult concept. It is a natural and obvious fact of human nature.

The old joke that it is illegal only if you get caught is funny because it is true.

The enforcement of all laws is after the fact of the crime. To the criminal mind during the commission of the crime is the realization that chances are they will not get caught.

For most criminals this is a fact that they have learned during their lives. Most crimes go unpunished. Many crimes that are discovered and the perps caught are lightly punished.

The deterrence of crime is dependent of punishment. If punishment of crime is rare law becomes irrelevant. Delayed punishment become irrelevant because in the mind of the criminal the punishment become detached from the crime. Both of these effects are at work in today’s society.

Gun control laws are ineffective and have always been ineffective because of the nature of criminals not because of nature of guns. But what little effect they could have is rendered ineffective because of the lackadaisical nature of our courts when it comes to enforcement of the law.

20 posted on 08/20/2018 2:10:02 PM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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