Posted on 06/30/2018 2:10:03 AM PDT by vannrox
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The division in America has become so dramatic over the past year that many people can only foresee it heading one place: Civil War.
There’s a pronounced uptick in violence and protests (often going hand in hand.) Free speech is being crushed by the opposition with the mere threat of violent responses. Statues and memorials are being vandalized or defended. Protesters show up armed and armored, ready for battle. The media throws gasoline on these flames with reports solely laying the blame on one side. Some groups are openly planning sedition and no one is trying to stop them.
Our country has reached a point of such division that it’s hard to imagine how we could once again become united.
The United Nations has issued an “early warning” about civil conflict in America. Many people believe these extremist “sides” are made up of professional provocateurs and do not reflect the true feelings of Americans. (Brandon Smith makes an incredibly compelling case for this.) California wants to secede and a lot of folks would be happy to see them go. Some black people want outrageous “reparations” from white people while others call them out for being easily manipulated.
It seems like no one wants peace in America except us average folks, who are happy to get along with our neighbors, regardless of their race, religion, or sexual proclivities. But at the rate things are escalating, our wishes could be irrelevant.
Historian and strategist Gregory Copley wrote:
Yes, there is a civil war looming in the United States.
But it will not look like the orderly pattern of descent which characterized the conflict of 1861-65. It will appear more like the Yugoslavia break-up, or the Russian and Chinese civil wars of the 20th Century.
It will appear as an evolving chaos…
…It is significant that the gathering crisis in the United States was not precipitated by the November 7, 2016, election of Pres. Donald Trump, and neither was the growing polarization of the United Kingdom’s society caused by the Brexit vote of 2016.
In both instances, the election of Mr Trump and the decision by UK voters for Britain to exit the European Union were late reactions — perhaps too late — by the regional populations of both countries to what they perceived as the destruction of their nation-states by “urban super-oligarchies”.
The last-ditch reactions by those who voted in the US for Donald Trump and those who voted in the UK for Brexit were against an urban-based globalism which has been building for some seven decades, with the deliberate or accidental intent of destroying nations and nationalism. It is now crystallizing into this: urban globalism sees nations and nationalism as the enemy, and vice-versa.
The battle lines have been drawn. (source)
And this makes sense if you consider that the majority of Clinton voters were from heavily populated urban areas like Los Angeles, San Francisco, and New York City. As well, Mr. Copley points out, the urban globalists control the greater part of the media.
Urban globalists control most of the means of communications [is this new “means of production”; the 21st Century marxian dialectic?] and therefore control “information” and the perception of events.
“Nationalists”, then, are operating instinctively, and in darkness. (source)
He’s certainly not wrong.
Oh – and before someone chimes in and starts hysterically talking about “white nationalists” – Mr. Copley isn’t referring to the KKK. He’s referring to people who put national interests ahead of global interests.
It’s interesting to get a perspective from a spectator outside the United States. Russian political commentator Dmitry Kosyrev says that the war has been raging in America for the last few years.
“Democrats are doing wild, suicidal things because they are not just on the defensive, but on the verge of collapse, as the Trump administration breaking down their ‘evil empire’… Their goal is not the destruction of Russia, but the salvation of their own project,” Kosyrev pointed out, referring to the ongoing scandal over alleged “Russian interference” in the US 2016 presidential election.
“Democrats do not have a majority in Congress or their own army, but the war they have been waging is a hybrid one,” the commentator wrote.
“Therefore, in the media zone, they are advancing with a wild, schizophrenic rage. However, they haven’t yet fully monopolized this sphere,” Kosyrev noted, adding that their outrage against the very existence of the Russian English-language TV channel Russia Today is also a “military phenomenon.”
“The essence of what is happening is that the Republicans are now advancing,” he explained, “It simply happens in dozens of small, internal episodes.”
“As one could see, the Democrats have a lot to lose in this war,” the commentator said, adding that the ongoing civil war still has no end in sight. (source)
Unsettling when viewed from a distance, right?
I asked you, the readers, for your opinions on what a Civil War would look like if it erupted in American.
With the incendiary situation going on across the country, there’s been a great deal of talk about the potential of civil war erupting in America.
IF such a terrible thing would occur, how do you think it would happen? How do you believe we’d all be affected? What would you foresee?
This is all speculation, of course, but share your thoughts in the comments below.
Of course, this is all speculative, but there are some pretty interesting answers. Here’s what you all had to say:
1.) Laura…
…the cities would be hit hard, outlying areas will become balkanized…and as far as ‘it’ happening, it started with ‘the resistance’…just hasn’t gone hot yet. And PS it won’t be a civil war, when it goes hot it will be along the lines of race and economics, nothing like the Civil War which was a federal vs state issue (control).
Note: Balkanization is defined as the “fragmentation or division of a region or state into smaller regions or states that are often hostile or uncooperative with one another.” (source)
2.) Jeriann…
I see it starting in the streets of the South. Then the National Guard gets sent in, then local militias build to fight the National Guard. Civil unrest runs amuck. People flee the Southern states, going north and west. Seeds of hate growing in their hearts against the government for allowing this to happen. Groups are gathering in homes to discuss the next step. Hoarding of food and gas begins. Desperation sets in. Peopllosese faith in government both local, state, and federal. The reality sets in we are vulnerable to Russia, China, Isis, fear and despair over take the people. They cry out in the streets, camps are set up for our protection and to provide for us.
3.) Chris…
I wonder what it would be fought over….where would the lines be drawn? Racial? Political? Economics? Who will be fighting who? I think flat-out every man for himself anarchy is a more likely scenario than what we would consider a civil war.
4.) Koi…
This is what the government wants to happen so they can have Martial law, and throw the Constitution in the trash.
5.) Ryan…
It’ll be based on race, the easiest distinguisher for low information people with anger and a desire to fight. I’m not sure how white people on the left would distinguish themselves as allies though, they’ll probably get caught up in the carnage. The real question I have is: how long will TPTB allow the bloodshed before they implement the next phase of police state
6.) Andrea…
If it really took off, if you don’t live in a major city, I think the main effect you’d feel is a shortage of goods. Truckloads of deliveries not being able to get safely to certain destinations would eventually just stop coming.
7.) Tony…
If this did go down I think it will be short lived. The government would turn off the communication systems and money supply to the country. The stock market will crash and the one-percenters will load up on shares and make billions once order is restored and the market rebounds.
8.) Lyle…
A civil war totally manufactured by the media.
9.) Joshua…
There is nothing left to hold civil society together. No shared values. No shared history. No shared worldview. In many places, not even a shared language. What we see now is the Balkanization of America. In essence, we as a people have already seceded from each other.
10.) Marvin…
Here are the options
1. Nothing’s gonna happen, well, except ALL statues will be removed, confederate, union, MLK, presidents, baseball players, even poor ole Elvis.
2. A lot more protests and more deaths.
3. North Korea drops an EMP and we thin the herd.
11.) Sherri…
In a way I think it’s already been going on for sometime. Internet trolling, hackers, some laws aren’t really enforced.
12.) Brian…
The UN will get called in. One World Order implementation.
13.) Liz…
I think a financial crisis of sorts , most likely causing serious uproar. An outside source of the United States coming in to try to look like helpers , I think they get a lot of people to follow them then off more than half, I think they want the very young. Madness, looting, complete anarchy until people begin to fight back.
14.) Scott…
It’s not just America, the civil divide is being pushed toward civil war in Europe and UK too!
The economic crash will be global as will the response…
this is the endgame that has been coming a long time.
Expect microchipping of the population through FEMA camps for starving and preppers being shot for hoarding food.
Make sure your food is not all in one place, have multiple caches so if one or two are discovered it doesn’t leave you with all the others queuing up for a loaf of bread and swiping your new microchip.
15.) Tim…
…Someone in our government will get the idea, if they haven’t already, that the best way to bring us back together as a nation is to give us a common enemy. Then with the help of the Media, they will demonize this enemy to the point where we as Americans can no longer just sit idly by. All the sudden, all the other issues disappear and the US government is back in control of the hearts and minds of its people.
16.) Pat…
I think the polarization is so extreme and so deep-seated that the very best thing for the majority of people would be for the USA to split into 3 or 4 separate countries. I don’t think we will have peace until this happens (if it ever happens). The alternative is likely to be extreme control by the government to a degree that none of us ever want to see or experience.
17.) Ivar…
What will begin as a somewhat ideological war (Antifa versus the Alt-Right) will sooner or later devolve into an outright race war. At that time, Antifa will cease to exist (split up in ethnic gangs). The Whites in Antifa will be on their own, and not last very long… The Alt-Right will continue to exist, although it might adopt a different name.
Since Whites own most of the land and ammunition, and are better trained and prepped, they will most likely win this race war.
I do not think it is likely that the race war will end soon. I’m afraid it will continue until America is all-White. Once faced with an existential threat, people can do crazy things to make sure it can never ever happen again.
This could have as a consequence that not only North America becomes all-White, but South America too.
A similar process will happen in Europe. It is quite likely that the Europeans will not only drive Islam from their continent, but remove it from the globe completely and repopulate the entire Middle-East.
These Antifa provocateurs and Islamic terrorists are taking a terrible gamble. Their tactics either succeed (and the entire world turns Communist or Islamic), or it will be the eradication of all the people they represent.
18. Renny…
I foresee a lot of guerrilla-type warfare. If Martial Law was instituted, I could easily imagine the Antifa types committing acts of vandalism, bombing things, holding up supply trucks. Sneak attacks with huge shocking impacts, like attacking children at a school or something. It would become dangerous for people to be in certain areas based on their race.
This could result in extreme violence against innocent non-combatants. Schools would shut down, public gathering areas like malls and markets could be targeted. Businesses would be unable to continue due to repeated vandalism. This would, in turn, affect the supply chain, which would increase theft as desperate hungry people did what they had to so they could feed their families.
19. Kendall…
This will be a race war, flames fanned by the likes of George Soros in order to destabilize the country. It’s a Marxist agenda that separates black vs. white and causes problems where there were none before. Paid protesters, activist groups funded by billionaires, and the crushing of free speech through violent protests will all boil over into more division.
Confusion will occur because this won’t be a clear-cut, North vs. South issue. The “enemy” would be hard to identify and easy to be mistaken for. How can you tell if someone is right-leaning or left-leaning?
United we stand…divided, billionaires make lots of money off our pain. Just like every other war, it all boils down to money and control.
20.) A…
I think we’re already seeing civil war, courtesy of Bush, Obama, Trump and now people who want to further ‘fundamentally change America’. The ‘war’ is between those who think the American dream is so-called equality for all, free stuff like healthcare, maternity leave and cell phones (coz that’s what our Founding Fathers intended – NOT!) and those of us who want to retain Her glory, where Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness is all that matters. We won’t see the death toll of the 1860’s, but we’ll see even more hatred, fear and division, combined with occasional attacks like Charlottesville. A nation divided cannot stand and sooner or later, whether
We won’t see the death toll of the 1860’s, but we’ll see even more hatred, fear and division, combined with occasional attacks like Charlottesville. A nation divided cannot stand and sooner or later, whether it’s a natural disaster, an external attack, financial crippling or just plain consequences of our action, there will be chaos, with FEAR being the biggest killer!
People keep talking about this one event…
I think it’ll be more of a slow and painful process, with serious consequences for our children’s children worldwide! The Beacon on the Hill WILL go out, and the world will be plunged into darkness
Some ugly and terrifying pictures painted there…
Thank you, Readers, as always, for your insight and participation.
Just like any other disaster, unless you are right in the midst of the conflict, your primary concerns would be supply shortages and self-defense.
Prepping for a long-term supply shortage is the number one thing you should do in order to be ready for this.
You also have to be prepared to defend yourself, your family, and your home.
It would be wise to be discreet about your supplies, as shortages and hunger will cause otherwise decent people to commit acts they would have otherwise never considered.
In the comments section, let me know what you think about the looming prospect of civil war. Tell me…
Alternatively, you may think we are in no danger of Civil War 2.0 actually occurring. Explain your reasoning.
And please, be courteous. Civil War 2.0 shall not erupt in my comments section. Thanks. 🙂
I promise you there is enough federal resources to quickly quash and highly organized nation-wide anti-law, anti-government, anarchist, antifa incident. Remember, Posse Comitatus Act only applies to the regular US Army and Air Force. Lotsa, lotsa, lotsa other heavily armed federal resources that are not REGULAR US Army or Air Force. Then again the unorganized militia (common armed citizen) would very quickly join the federal agencies to serve in whatever capacity requested of them.
They already have the well-worn wording for this: "Others have too little because of hoarders hogging everything to profit off the less fortunate." The envious left disgusts me.
Yes you are not wrong. But if this thing kicks off and I don’t see a way out of it look for it to be short and sharp.
Some trigger event like the Bundy ranch will set off brush fires all over the country. It’s not the North vs the South it’s good vs evil. A one world globalist/,progressive govt and media vs one half of the U.S. Population. The half with most of the guns and former combat vets.
Once the shooting starts the big mouth celebs and the vajayjay hats along with most of BLM and ANTIFA will disappear from view. The rest of the world will grab a bag of popcorn and stay out of the way. Anybody who thinks the rinky dink UN is going step foot in the US needs a tin foil hat.
Any conflict will largely effect the big cities as the govt will likely cut off the internet, cable TV except for one station they control and maybe cell towers in the targeted zones. Look for the rebel factions to take down electricity and water themselves to thwart the occupation of large cities by govt forces. Most of the military is out of the country so good luck trying to contain this thing with the US marshals, FBI and DHS wannabe tough guys.
I predict in weeks or several months there will be a capitulation at the highest levels of govt. Capitulation to a group of mostly known names aligned with a major faction of the military leaders to change out cabinet positions and possibly the president depending on who it is with a temporary group of place holders. Look for a cooling off period to be announced to give time to purge the bureacracy, judiciary and both houses of Congress because yes there will be a winner and a loser. New elections to be held down the road.
If the cooling off period is properly executed we will see a total restoration of the Constitutional Republic. Would not surprise me to see a portion of our population move to Canada. That’s what happened after the revolution. The Tories moved to Canada and back to England.
I can see that happening in Omaha, Neb., birthplace of Malcolm X and the site of race riots in 1966, 1968 and 1969. Provost, Utah? Never heard of it and can't find it on any map. If it's a ghost town, it would, indeed, be an unlikely site for violence.
We may be a nation of 50 semi-independent countries, but groups like Black lives Matter, MS-13 and Code Pink do exist and can't be wished away.
We really don’t need the Muslims, we already have a growing militant anti-Christian segment. I see a time not to far off wherein being a devote Christian will be a crime (maybe unofficially but a crime never the less) and Christians will be rob beaten hunted and kill, Their homes and business burned to force them out of blue areas. Let the cleansing begin!
More like the prepares are armed to the teeth and antifa is throwing rocks.
The lying evil msm is doing everything it can to get CWII going. We, the people, not so much. But, I’ll play along.
Do it peacefully and put the US border along the Sierra Nevadas and on up to Canada. They get Hawaii. We get Alaska. Puetro Rico is given back to Spain or anyone who’ll take it but excised from the US. They can also have American Samoa. We’ll keep the other territories but they get Guam if it tips over.
The Californican transplants in Austin will high tail it back from whence they came. Chicago will see the light and straighten themselves up. No welfare to illegals and visa over-stayers so they’ll self deport and the new USA BP and ICE are allowed to do their jobs without interference from Pelosi and her kind.
Don’t count on that.
Very good advise.
If you don’t think the Southwest is balkanized, you haven’t been paying attention.
Because of that, I think that when the cities implode, there will be a massive die off.
It will be from violence, ill health, dehydration and then starvation.
City folks do NOT know how to handle the out of doors.
Those who manage to escape the cities will not receive a warm welcome in the country, and I could see many dying from exposure as they try to navigate the wilderness with no knowledge of how to feed themselves or keep themselves warm. Especially if it doesn ‘t happen in the summer in the north.
Adopt another name? We never adopted the name, 'Alt-Right', to begin with. The left made that up, then tried to hang it on us.
It's the left's effort to create an identifiable, organized faction, which they can then blame and target.
"You support Trump, the NRA, and vote Republican? Well, you're obviously a member of the Alt-Right hate group, so we can justifiably target you for elimination."
See how that works?
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If you don’t think the Southwest is balkanized, you haven’t been paying attention.
May be true but I still do not see an armed insurrection developing.
And if Mexico believes they can successfully start one and come out unharmed they are not paying attention.
Inexorably there is new technology that will tell the authorities if you have any kind of infraction. They will have radar that sees throughout your house. Your digital interactions will all be collected and analyzed. Every gunshot in every jurisdiction will be traceable with triangulation. The 4th amendment will be history.
Eventually the authorities will have drones to shoot American citizens like Obama did to Americans overseas. But they won't shoot at the mob that burned out the Christians (or other group). They will instead shoot the Christians who have the nerve to defend themselves.
>>Did I miss something?
Maybe. Did you listen to the teacher instead of studying the war?
A civil war is a war between two factions inside a country who are fighting to gain control of the government of the nation.
A war for independence is one where a part of a nation declares that it intends to separate from the other and create its own government. It does not seek to overthrow or change the nation it left. (See the Declaration of Independence for a good example that your teachers DID talk about).
The Confederate States were the latter.
Joshua was only one of twenty made any sense
To me
I don’t think we are anywhere near a Civil War. Will their be violence in our cities? Probably. But there is violence now.
There is no charismatic leader in the Demo party that could set it off, no one who could lead the masses of people into a Civil War. Hillary? no. Pocahontas? no. Joe Biden? Get real.
The one thought that does occur to me is that the people threatening Civil War are those who are disarmed, vote for continued disarmament every 4 years as they elect their mayor and are quite satisfied to not have the ability to protect their families from harm. And they’re threatening to take on the largest armed civilian force on the planet? With guns? Really? If someone tries to start a civil war it will end quickly.
We are a long way from Civil War.
I really enjoyed this article at The American Spectator: The Collapse of the Never-Trump Conservatives, by Emerald Robinson.
In fact, the magazine seems to be rejuvenated, as if perhaps they looked around and said: "we're the last conservative hard-copy magazine standing!
I'm sure most of us will never forget this astounding piece of treachery:
The truth is though, that the National Review has been a false guide for many, many years now. The realization of that has slowly grown. In fact that Alt-Right published an entire book on the destructiveness of William F. Buckley's endless purges of the right of everyone he disagreed with.
In the end the old Paleo-Con critics of the Neo-Cons had it pretty much right, they were a bunch of ex-Trotskyites who never left behind a lot of the far-left opinions. Bill's daddy's book might still be the best summary of their opinions:
No kidding whites in the south are the most solid with any population numbers
And I don’t see rural southern blacks wanting to get slaughtered nor sharing Antifa values
There is already a low volume rumble aminsy southern blacks about the dem hard turn left
It’s starting in their churches and polls reflect it
It’s a start
“Hey Tyrone you want to herd with the gay marriage transvestite open borders muslim loving man hating #metoo Left....or you want to go deer hunting with hot chicks in cammo “
I know that answer considering I’ve spent my life around them
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