I disagree—they should be like 19th century madhouses. Those madhouses seem to have done a pretty good job. I guess Hollywood movies get people weirded out about them. But you can't argue with success. That was a far saner world than the present.
Posted on 05/20/2018 8:35:42 PM PDT by Trump20162020
When the shooter left the room briefly, Abel and others left the closet and tried to barricade the door. But the shooter pushed it open, spotted a student he knew, and with anger said, "Surprise!" before shooting the student in the chest.
"I'm still trying to process everything," Abel said in an interview.
One of Pagourtzis' classmates who died in the attack, Shana Fisher, "had 4 months of problems from this boy," her mother, Sadie Rodriguez, wrote in a private message to the Los Angeles Times on Facebook. "He kept making advances on her and she repeatedly told him no."
Pagourtzis continued to get more aggressive, and she finally stood up to him and embarrassed him in class, Rodriguez said. "A week later he opens fire on everyone he didn't like," she wrote. "Shana being the first one." Rodriguez didn't say how she knew her daughter was the first victim.
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This stood out as a red flag more than anything else in the article.
Next question--did the mother have a conversation via telephone or in person with the boy's parents about the unrequited pursuit of the daughter? Pretty safe bet the answer is NO.
One of the most important lessons in life, if you want healthy adults.
Loss is inevitable, shaking it off is learned.
Across the nation on a weekly basis....probably 25,000 young guys are ‘turned-down’. 99.99-percent just kinda accept it. From all the mass shootings I know of in the past twenty years, this is the first time that it goes back to being ‘turned-down’.
So I don’t really buy into this one single-excuse, and am waiting on drug and toxicology reports.
In my teens, I had my share of rejection by the ladies, but it never entered into my mind to kill anyone as a result of the rejection. I just learned from the experience and moved on. None of my friends entertained the notion of going on a murder spree because a girl rejected their advances, or because anyone teased them.
Thanks! Son is alive and far better off than anyone expected at the time. The paramedics did not expect him to make it to the hospital much less live almost normally. It was bad.
I wonder what the girl said as well. Not that anything she could have said warranted death. My daughter told me today that she publicly rejected a boy two years younger than she is. This happened very recently after months of her rejecting the boy privately. So daughter told him in front of his friends to leave her alone. He has so far. The group of friends may have intervened and told him to lay off. No idea.
Society has taken competition off the table. Learning to lose gracefully and using the disappointment to get better and win the next time you meet your opponent is a lost lesson. Sportsmanship is not taught to most kids anymore. To much video games and not enough team sports from childhood. Leads to what has become an “it’s all about me” younger group. IMHO.
This kid had it all over his own FB page. A pic of himself saying ‘born to kill’ wore a weird trench coat to school and black boots to class every day, reminiscent of Columbine crap. Stole his fathers guns to do it.
Where were his parents in all of this? Did they not notice their sons behavior? How is it the father had the guns out and available?
Well, he didn’t get a date with the girl so he killed her.
Well, he might find he gets plenty of ‘dates’ where he IS going.
She “had four months of problems” with Pagourtzis, her mother, Sadie Rodriguez, told the Los Angeles Times. “He kept making advances on her and she repeatedly told him no.”
But Pagourtzis continued to get more aggressive, Rodriguez said.
A week before the shooting, Fisher embarrassed him in front of others in a class by standing up and telling Pagourtzis that she wouldn’t go out with him, Rodriguez told CNN.
That might have had the same results.
I don’t know what the careful response might be. It bears some thinking about. Humiliation in front of his friends can be horrible. A comedian once made a joke against someone who spoke out from the audience and he committed suicide. And there was a young man at Rutgers who did the same when his roommate took pix of him and posted them.
I’m thinking in terms of intervention by a skilled teen counselor, quietly and in private. Could be a way to get him into the therapy he obviously needed too. It’s certainly as important as talking someone down from a window ledge.
My son was getting picked on by the class bully years ago. My son goes to the teacher after a few days. We could tell something was bothering him, and when we questioned him he told us, and we told him to talk to his teacher. Jr. High, the bully had bothered others before. He sat down next to my son one day and and said “Okay - your turn.” Just verbal stuff. The teacher has thought something was going on, but perhaps the bully shifting his victims made her unsure. (”Well, he doesn’t seem to be bothering Sam anymore, I guess it was nothing.”???)
Anyway, so as not to out my son as a narc the teacher keeps an eye on them and calls the bully on something and has him stay after class. Then calls the parents in for a meeting the following day. She calls the father and he says “Talk to his mom - she handles all of that crap.” The teacher said “No - you’re the father and you need to act like one! If your not at the meeting your son is suspended for 10 days.”
Anyway - turns out the bully had a multitude of issues, mostly family stuff. The teacher worked overtime with the family, the student (really bright kid), counseling, etc. He was never the wiser about my son, and they became good friends.
No wonder she was a National School Teacher of the Year winner at that time too.
It is amazing what great teachers will do. Of course if the father had been involved in the kid’s life more she probably wouldn’t have had to.
Your point is appreciated.
Agreed. There is probably a lot more to it.
So many children are not ever told no. When they finally hear it from someone, they cannot handle it.
This was my thought too. These weak-minded kids are not prepared to handle loss or rejection in this PC, everyone gets a trophy, school environment.
The liberal left did this but they will never own it unless we make them own it.
Very good point rktman. In the real world we do lose and we do have to handle rejection maturely. We don’t go and find a weapon then plan on making the winners pay. We try harder then beat them next time.
I disagree—they should be like 19th century madhouses. Those madhouses seem to have done a pretty good job. I guess Hollywood movies get people weirded out about them. But you can't argue with success. That was a far saner world than the present.
I tend to agree. Nowadays, that could prove deadly. And in this case, it appears that's possibly what happened, where the suspect wanted to wipe-out not only the one who humiliated him, but all those who stood around gawking and laughing.
Kids these days are not taught real or useful coping mechanisms. They're told they are all winners. They are given safe spaces. No-one is left behind or held back. They never really learn to deal with rejection, disappointment, losing. Thus when they are confronted with it in a situation beyond their control - they have no experience dealing with it. It is certainly good to win, but it is also useful, even necessary to lose once in a while.
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