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Clinton Holds 11-Point National Lead Over Trump (Same geniuses claiming big Dem midterm lead
CNBC ^ | October 16, 2016 | Mike Murray

Posted on 03/20/2018 4:57:06 AM PDT by DoodleBob

Hillary Clinton is ahead of Donald Trump by double digits with just over three weeks until Election Day, according to a new national NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll conducted entirely after the second presidential debate.

To put Clinton's current 11-point lead into perspective, Barack Obama beat John McCain by seven points nationally in 2008. And Obama's margin of victory over Mitt Romney in 2012 was four points.

"Donald Trump's chances of winning this election have faded," says Democratic pollster Fred Yang of Hart Research Associates, which conducted this survey with Republican pollster Bill McInturff and his firm Public Opinion Strategies.

"This poll is showing the writing on the wall," Yang adds.

And the Republican McInturff observes that Trump "is in a weaker position than in September," and that his numbers in the poll don't align with anyone who has gone on to win a presidential election.

(Excerpt) Read more at cnbc.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2018election; fakepolls
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Yang and McInturff are the same guys who recently published a poll saying Democrats hold a double-digit lead for 2018 midterm elections.

I'm not saying we should coast - when my team is up by 3 touchdowns in the 4th quarter, I want them going for TDs. Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life, son.

But...weeping and gnashing of teeth off a poll - taken months away from midterms - from the same losers who got it so wrong 3 weeks prior to Trumpageddon is equally unhelpful.

1 posted on 03/20/2018 4:57:06 AM PDT by DoodleBob
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To: DoodleBob

Well, there’s two possible ways that polls can be inaccurate. The special election losses are a good cautionary tale.


2 posted on 03/20/2018 4:58:56 AM PDT by Morpheus2009 (Couldn't)
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To: DoodleBob
I remember a panel on ABC withMartha Raddatz, David Muir and a couple other leftists talking about their latest poll about two weeks before the presidential election. They had Hillary 20 points up and stated there was “no way” anyone could overcome such a deficit. I believe it was the big reason Raddatz had the tears flowing election night. They actually believe their own bs, and are shocked to find out just how wrong they are. And they continue to be wrong. They have no clue why any of us voted for Donald Trump.
3 posted on 03/20/2018 5:02:47 AM PDT by corlorde
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To: DoodleBob

That isn’t bad he said Clinton was 20 points ahead in 2016.


4 posted on 03/20/2018 5:03:11 AM PDT by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric Cartman voice* 'I love you, guys')
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To: DoodleBob

We are surrounded by chaotic systems. Sometimes they are less chaotic than others so they appear stable. In the stock market I used to use something called the Lynch formulae to invest. That took a few numbers like dividend yield and growth and if the number came out to less than a certain amount you’d likely make money on the stock. Today, the Lynch formulae no longer works. The conditions that made it work for decades have changed.

Polling is similar. For a very long time, polling worked. Now, it doesn’t. Although I still try to use the Lynch formulae, it doesn’t predict good results one way or the other. The same is now true for polling. Polling now is no better than flipping a coin.


5 posted on 03/20/2018 5:10:47 AM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: DoodleBob

Oh please. This isn’t even worth posting. How embarrassing for CNBC.


6 posted on 03/20/2018 5:12:57 AM PDT by dforest (Never let a Muslim cut your hair.)
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To: DoodleBob

I think the House remains about the same +20 R and the Dems lose 5 in the Senate. This will cause gnashing of teeth among the Republicans as they are now forced to confront the reality of winning.


7 posted on 03/20/2018 5:13:22 AM PDT by struggle
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To: struggle

If I were polled, which has never happened in my 68 years on this planet, I would go all out pro scumbag DemoRAT, and chuckle to myself as I walked away. MAGA!


8 posted on 03/20/2018 5:15:27 AM PDT by wetgundog (Mainstream Media, Lying Liars Lying.)
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To: DoodleBob

It’s over. The Republicans were IDIOTS for running Trump. Hope you guys are happy now, with Hillary about to be president.


9 posted on 03/20/2018 5:17:42 AM PDT by BobL (I shop at Walmart and eat at McDonald's...I just don't tell anyone)
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There is an obvious enthusiasm gap, and I can tell you this... if the GOP plans on using the messaging it used in PA 18 for the midterms it will lose the house... no doubt about it.

Will gain seats in the senate just due to the map, but will lose the house.

GOP need to come to grips with 2016, and realize to win, at least outside the deep red districts they need to motivate the non traditonal MAGA voters to show up.

If they think the same old tired R talking points and democrat will be a Pelosi rubber stamp fear mongering will win them the fall they are grossly mistaken.

Need to give folks a reason to vote FOR you not against someone else... and need to give folks who generally have not turned out to vote for you before Trump a reason th feel they need to further engage and vote. PA-18 messaging did neither.


10 posted on 03/20/2018 5:17:43 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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We must not get complacent. Clinton lost because the Dems believed there was no reason to cheat. They will be under no such delusion in 2018 nor, especially, 2020. They will cheat and it will be rampant and probably very open. Their goal will be to regain the reins of power and shut down any opposition via the government (their government, in their minds).

This is how the Dems will fight CW2....

11 posted on 03/20/2018 5:19:18 AM PDT by jeffc (The U.S. media are our enemy)
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To: wetgundog

With cell phones and caller id on landlines nobody answers a call from a caller they don’t know. They let the call go to voicemail. Happens to telemarketers and pollsters.


12 posted on 03/20/2018 5:20:52 AM PDT by ops33 (SMSgt, USAF, Retired)
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13 posted on 03/20/2018 5:26:31 AM PDT by OttawaFreeper ("If I had to go to war again, I'd bring lacrosse players" Conn Smythe)
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To: DoodleBob

These people never give up with their phony polls. Makes them feel good I suppose.


14 posted on 03/20/2018 5:49:29 AM PDT by From The Deer Stand
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To: DoodleBob

Is Fred Yang’s middle name Ying?


15 posted on 03/20/2018 6:16:13 AM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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2016 had the worst candidate in a long time, Hillary. This easily can be another 2006 or 2010 election. Hubris on the gop side can and will be fatal.

Every year, liberals are importing or producing more people than the 'right'. It's hard keeping 'civilization' together when both parties have worked together to destroy the USA.

16 posted on 03/20/2018 6:17:45 AM PDT by Theoria (I should never have surrendered. I should have fought until I was the last man alive)
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To: DoodleBob

And Cleveland will beat the Cubs 4-1 in the World Series.


17 posted on 03/20/2018 6:59:20 AM PDT by EdnaMode
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To: DoodleBob
Same 🐂💨💩, different day.
18 posted on 03/20/2018 7:18:56 AM PDT by GoldenPup
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Polls are just snapshots of the time the poll was taken.

They do not anticipate changes.

19 posted on 03/20/2018 9:49:39 AM PDT by fortheDeclaration (Pr 14:34 Righteousness exalteth a nation:but sin is a reproach to any people)
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To: Morpheus2009

All of the circumstances of the special election have to looked at.


20 posted on 03/20/2018 9:50:13 AM PDT by fortheDeclaration (Pr 14:34 Righteousness exalteth a nation:but sin is a reproach to any people)
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