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To: Rashputin

Remington recently landed several large contracts from the military (including one $80 MILLION ‘NY SAFE Act’ bribe from the Obama administration) - and they *still* can’t keep the doors open.

The disaster that’s been the R51 launch, recall, second launch and second impending recall hasn’t helped - they’re now offering R51 owners R1 1911s as replacement pistols and not even pretending that they’re going to be able to fix the R51. If R51 buyers had wanted R1s they would have bought one, so understandably R51 owners are steamed.

Remington was and to some degree still is very much a Fudd-catering company. Worse, it was *old* Fudds they were catering to - to the point where they were very late to or completely ignored these markets:

Polymer service pistols
Polymer carry pistols
Actual carry pistols of any kind
Modern sporting rifles of all kinds
Modern defensive or combat shotguns
Modern low cost CNC bolt guns (some of which are a fraction of the 700’s cost but equal or exceed the 700’s performance)

They were so caught up with their precious high dollar (but slowly dropping quality) Fudd-focused bolt rifles that the market passed them by and their much belated attempts to catch up, much like Colt’s (though for different reasons), fell far, far short - and were too little too late - so they find themselves in their current position. Irrelevant, with a sometimes-crap product line that most of the active part of the market doesn’t want to buy and an existing customer base that’s retiring/dying/simply not buying anything any more.


4 posted on 02/13/2018 3:15:48 AM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Spktyr

And so another Upstate NY Employer goes into the toilet, and hundreds will be looking for jobs that aren’t there thanks to the Almighty Prince Andrew and his merry band of corruptiocrats and thieves.


6 posted on 02/13/2018 3:19:36 AM PST by Shady (We WON the Battle, Now let's WIN THE WAR!!!!)
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To: Spktyr
So there was no buying spree? No creation of 'profit centers' like clothing?

The people running the company didn't care about the market for their product.

They were from the school of thought that figured they could make the Brand Name sufficient to carry whatever tired old product line they managed to get out the door.

7 posted on 02/13/2018 3:40:51 AM PST by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory !!)
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To: Spktyr
Remember, this is Remington Outdoors applying for bankruptcy.

Remington Outdoors is the renamed Freedom Group, which in addition to Remington Firearms, owns Bushmaster, DPMS, Marlin, Advanced Armament, Tapco, and more.

Remington Outdoors/Freedom Group is owned by Cerberus Capital, the same venture capital firm that bought Chrysler from Daimler and promptly ran it into the ground.

16 posted on 02/13/2018 4:02:02 AM PST by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: Spktyr

Agree !!!

I like they’re purchase of the Rhorbaugh design pistols ..... I have the original in 9mm and remington’s version RM380 in .380....... both very small and work well. Have thousands of rounds through em with no problems. Only thing smaller and as reliable are Seecamp’s .32 and 380’s .

That said ......

Remingtons quality control is crap these days ...... I can put old and new next to each other and the fit, finish and attention to detail is clearly evident to even the untrained eye. My old Remingtons and Marlins are head and shoulders above the products coming out of they’re factory these days.

Dont spend on Remington products anymore ...... nada zilch nuthin ! They created they’re own woes and demise. Sad.


21 posted on 02/13/2018 4:27:31 AM PST by Squantos (Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet ...)
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To: Spktyr

I like my Remington 700 - an absolutely wonderful bolt action rifle. It is the second most accurate rifle I own, completely reliable, and sturdy. However, other than their big-bore bolt actions and the 870 shotgun (my top home-defense choice), it’s hard to find a Remington option that is competitive. They should be a smaller company and give up on their marginal products.


22 posted on 02/13/2018 4:35:23 AM PST by Pollster1 ("Governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed")
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To: Spktyr

The 700 recall didn’t help.


52 posted on 02/13/2018 6:11:52 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Conservatives love America for what it is. Liberals hate America for the same reason.)
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