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Creation vs Evolution: The Bombardier Beetle Challenge
Creation Evolution Headlines ^ | February 8, 2018 | David F. Coppedge

Posted on 02/09/2018 11:46:16 AM PST by fishtank

Creation vs Evolution: The Bombardier Beetle Challenge

February 8, 2018 | David F. Coppedge

Bombardier beetles made the news again this week. Creation scientists have long used them to challenge evolutionary theory. Can the Darwinians fight back?

Watch a funny video on National Geographic of a barfing toad. The toad made the mistake of sneaking up on a bombardier beetle and snatching it with its tongue before the beetle could fire its weapons. It’s not hard to imagine what happened inside the toad’s stomach, because a few minutes later, the toad gags and vomits out the beetle, practically turning its stomach inside out to get rid of the pest which, though sticky with gastric juices, is none the worse for wear and crawls away.

(Excerpt) Read more at crev.info ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: creation; evolution
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To: ctdonath2; SkyDancer
Just because the end result seems impossibly complex doesn’t mean there isn’t a simple process for getting there.

TRUE. That simple process is called 'adaptation'. ALL CREATURES adapt to their environment or go extinct.

Humans 'adapt' to their environment, and not over EONS, but in MONTHS.

When astronauts are sent into space where they live in NEAR ZERO 'G', if they don't exercise, their bones turn to putty. Eventually, they would turn into round balls with no bone and little muscle tone.


21 posted on 02/09/2018 2:12:12 PM PST by UCANSEE2 (Lost my tagline on Flight MH370. Sorry for the inconvenience.)
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To: SkyDancer

wrong

Evolution of species occurs when there is adaptation beyond the limits of ability to reproduce.


22 posted on 02/09/2018 2:12:20 PM PST by Thibodeaux (The FISA judge is corrupt)
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To: Montana_Sam

Yes, really. Do some research.


23 posted on 02/09/2018 2:14:23 PM PST by ctdonath2 (It's not "white privilege", it's "Puritan work ethic". Behavior begets consequences.)
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To: Thibodeaux

Evolutionists have pointed out that a crow using a twig to get grubs out of a tree trunk is proof of evolution. Wiser minds have said it’s adaptation. If it was evolution, that crow would have built a bunch of nests and rented them out.


24 posted on 02/09/2018 2:15:14 PM PST by SkyDancer ( ~ Just Consider Me A Random Fact Generator ~ Eat Sleep Fly Repeat ~)
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To: Thibodeaux

I just love it when people just jump in and say ‘wrong’ as though they’re the final authority on the subject.


25 posted on 02/09/2018 2:16:02 PM PST by SkyDancer ( ~ Just Consider Me A Random Fact Generator ~ Eat Sleep Fly Repeat ~)
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To: mlo

A crow would build a bunch of nests and rent them out. That’s evolution. That same crow using a stick to dig out grubs from a tree trunk is adapting.


26 posted on 02/09/2018 2:17:13 PM PST by SkyDancer ( ~ Just Consider Me A Random Fact Generator ~ Eat Sleep Fly Repeat ~)
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To: Ancesthntr

Giraffes used to be shorter, but so were trees. The trees ‘adapted’ by getting taller, followed by the giraffes getting taller to reach the leaves.

The cells of the giraffe and the cells of the tree follow the same procedure. Adapt or die.


27 posted on 02/09/2018 2:18:55 PM PST by UCANSEE2 (Lost my tagline on Flight MH370. Sorry for the inconvenience.)
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To: Thibodeaux; SkyDancer
Evolution of species occurs when there is adaptation beyond the limits of ability to reproduce.

Certain frogs , when there is a limit of ability to reproduce due to a lack of the opposite sex, will change sex , and rather quickly.

Is that 'evolution' ?

28 posted on 02/09/2018 2:23:54 PM PST by UCANSEE2 (Lost my tagline on Flight MH370. Sorry for the inconvenience.)
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To: SkyDancer

What amazes me is how well evolutionists have been able to organize living things into a Tree of Life based on common ancestry.


29 posted on 02/09/2018 2:28:22 PM PST by Moonman62 (Make America Great Again!)
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To: SkyDancer; mlo; All

The ROOT of all the controversy over the term ‘evolution’ goes back to the SCOPES MONKEY TRIALS.

The public wanted DARWIN on trial because the media told the public that DARWIN said PEOPLE evolved from MONKEYS.

Which wasn’t true, wasn’t what Darwin said, and the actual concept involved APES evolving into HUMANS, but facts were deemed unimportant during the trial.

The REAL REASON this came about is not because of what DARWIN said, but because of TEACHERS who told their students that (the monkey-humans concept) and the corresponding reaction by the religious community.

SO... because TEACHERS didn’t bother to study Darwin’s theory well and spread their ignorance to their students and because the MEDIA thought it could sell laundry detergent (increase advertising) in their newspapers by furthering the misunderstanding and intentional lies, .... here we are.

Decades later, and TEACHERS and the MEDIA continue to do the same thing.


30 posted on 02/09/2018 2:37:15 PM PST by UCANSEE2 (Lost my tagline on Flight MH370. Sorry for the inconvenience.)
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To: ctdonath2

This researcher says the modifications from related beetles are actually simple.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgqF-ND2XcY


31 posted on 02/09/2018 2:37:25 PM PST by Moonman62 (Make America Great Again!)
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To: UCANSEE2

Thanks. Interesting read.


32 posted on 02/09/2018 2:44:49 PM PST by SkyDancer ( ~ Just Consider Me A Random Fact Generator ~ Eat Sleep Fly Repeat ~)
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To: sparklite2; mlo
"What evolutionists claim is evolution is actually adaptation."

And the distinction is?

The distinction is supposed to be that adaptation involves changes 'in species' while evolution involves one species changing into a different species.

I agree with your question on 'distinction without a difference' as the truth seems to be that the same 'process' and the same 'intelligence' is used by both.

33 posted on 02/09/2018 2:44:53 PM PST by UCANSEE2 (Lost my tagline on Flight MH370. Sorry for the inconvenience.)
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To: UCANSEE2

Adaptation.


34 posted on 02/09/2018 2:45:24 PM PST by SkyDancer ( ~ Just Consider Me A Random Fact Generator ~ Eat Sleep Fly Repeat ~)
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To: UCANSEE2

Adaptation. They didn’t evolve into something else. They’re still frogs.


35 posted on 02/09/2018 2:45:52 PM PST by SkyDancer ( ~ Just Consider Me A Random Fact Generator ~ Eat Sleep Fly Repeat ~)
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To: Ancesthntr; fishtank; aMorePerfectUnion; UCANSEE2; sparklite2; SkyDancer
Ancesthntr: "Folks, there are 2 kinds of evolution.
One is pretty much impossible (yet the Darwinians insist upon it) and the other is demonstrably true (and the Darwinians ignore it, while the Creationists often times oppose it because of its name)."

The alleged distinction between macro- versus micro-evolution, or "adaption" versus "evolution" is ludicrous.
They are exactly the same thing, only the time scales are different.
"Adaption" or micro-evolution can happen relatively quickly as new breeds & subspecies evolve in response to changing environments.
By contrast, so-called "macro-evolution" is the same process carried over geological time-periods resulting in new species, genera, families, etc.

But it's all just baby-steps, one little bit at a time.

For example, consider dogs, a sub-species of wolves, evolved over the past 15,000 years though not through natural selection, evolution nonetheless.

36 posted on 02/09/2018 2:57:35 PM PST by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
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To: Tucker39
Tucker39: "The late Dr. D. James Kennedy shared that Julian Huxley, when asked why he espoused evolution, replied, 'Because belief in a Creator hampers my sex life and doing what I want to do.' "

Your story and similar versions of it are fake news.

37 posted on 02/09/2018 3:04:13 PM PST by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
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To: BroJoeK

“For example, consider dogs, a sub-species of wolves, evolved over the past 15,000 years though not through natural selection, evolution nonetheless.”

When the dogs became birds - it was at the moment one flew by - I came to see just how the small changes add up!


38 posted on 02/09/2018 3:04:44 PM PST by aMorePerfectUnion (Q is Baron Trump, time-traveling back from the future, to help his dad fight the deep state.)
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To: BroJoeK; Ancesthntr; fishtank; aMorePerfectUnion; sparklite2; SkyDancer

Let’s take the ‘evolution’ concept a little further (or a should say “a step backward’).

Whether it be evolution, adaptation, micro vs. macro, the basic process that has to occur is that each CELL in the creature involved has to CHANGE what type of cell it is and what other cells it is attached to.

WHAT determines this ? What directs the cell to be a different ‘type’ of cell ?


39 posted on 02/09/2018 3:07:22 PM PST by UCANSEE2 (Lost my tagline on Flight MH370. Sorry for the inconvenience.)
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To: SkyDancer

We know that creatures ‘adapt’. The question is (or should be), how does this adaptation occur ? What directs it ?


40 posted on 02/09/2018 3:09:50 PM PST by UCANSEE2 (Lost my tagline on Flight MH370. Sorry for the inconvenience.)
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