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Donald Trump attacked what makes America great
New York Post ^ | September 25, 2017 | Joel Sherman

Posted on 09/25/2017 10:32:22 PM PDT by TBP

Then let’s stop politicizing sports by even playing the national anthem or “God Bless America” before or during the games. How bizarre would it be if each day you showed up at work as a plumber or truck driver or lawyer and you first had to stand for the national anthem?

Also, when exactly did how we behave during a national anthem become a litmus test on our patriotism? I mean, if I stand but don’t put my hand over my heart, am I less patriotic than the guy next to me who does? How about if he puts his hand over his heart, but I salute? What if I sing along?

Right, it is all ridiculous. It is a song after all, not a particularly good one. The flag is a piece of fabric. These are symbols. Real patriotism is using your First Amendment rights and defending those who do so peacefully, even if you don’t particularly like their speech.

As the leader of the most important country on the globe, he had two avenues to go down with this issue — open a civil dialogue about what the symbolism of flags and national songs mean or incite a fight. He started a fight. This is talk-show America now — scream loud, don’t listen to others and the most relentlessly vicious wins.

Remember those who are protesting are not doing so against the flag or a national song. They are doing so against injustices they see, notably racial injustices. Maybe you don’t see them. It seems our president does not. But it is his job to actually protect those who see them and want to make statements about it, and it is at the very core of our value system to allow peaceful dissent.

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To: TBP

“it is at the very core of our value system to allow peaceful dissent”

Americans know this and are peacefully dissenting ... but they’re in a much different position.

The football field is a place of business. Wonder if ‘peaceful dissent’ would be allowed if a NYP employee tried it while on the job?

Would that employee’s 1st Amendment rights apply — being that it’s ‘at the very core of our value system to allow (it)’?

And if not, why not?


41 posted on 09/26/2017 4:02:28 AM PDT by Heart of Georgia (#DrainTheSwamp #HeFights)
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To: TBP

The plumbers,carpenters,store clerks,office workers,and the rest of the millions of others don’t have to sing the National Anthem everyday when they go to work,they just support the morons who could not do any of those jobs,but get make millions of dollars to play a game from the taxes those other millions pay to watch them.
They also fly flags in front of their homes,send their loved ones to fight and die under that flag and yes,On their own dime go into the streets across the country and to its capitol,holding the flag high,to voice their grievances,that’s how it works.
We don’t have the luxury to go before millions on Sundays or on tv shows in front of millions to spew banal slogans and moronic ideas.
If they want to kneel at the National Anthem do it on your own dime and time,I’m sick of actors,actresses,and sports stars using the public airwaves to denigrate its citizens and our country


42 posted on 09/26/2017 4:07:57 AM PDT by ballplayer (hvexx NKK c bmytit II iyijjhihhiyyiyiyi it iyiiy II i hi jiihi ty yhiiyihiijhijjyjiyjiiijyuiiijihyii)
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To: TBP

Typical LibTaint response to LibTaint caused problem...


43 posted on 09/26/2017 4:09:09 AM PDT by Feckless (The US Gubbmint / This Tagline CENSORED by FR \ IrOnic, ain't it?)
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To: TBP

Never head of Joel Sherman. His article reads like it was written by a misguided high school student with average writing skills and intelligence.


44 posted on 09/26/2017 4:19:53 AM PDT by Atticus
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To: TBP

The post is a semi-literate rag that sometimes goes over to the right side, but mostly entertains half-wit New Yorkers who can’t read words over 2 syllables.


45 posted on 09/26/2017 4:27:30 AM PDT by I want the USA back (Constantly doing things in opposition to human nature is insanity.)
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“The flag is a piece of fabric. These are symbols. Real patriotism is using your First Amendment rights and defending those who do so peacefully, even if you don’t particularly like their speech.”

I’m going to guess the “Sherm the worm” hasn’t written any columns against Leftist Universities and Antifa who are loudly, actively and VIOLENTLY opposing free speech. Has he written any columns about free speech at Google or Facebook? Anything about people who are attacked lose their jobs because they donate money to a political party or candidate? Seems doubtful. F’ing leftist tool and scambag.


46 posted on 09/26/2017 4:34:39 AM PDT by Brooklyn Attitude (The first step in ending the War on White People, is to recognize it exists.)
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To: TBP
Also, when exactly did how we behave during a national anthem become a litmus test on our patriotism? I mean, if I stand but don’t put my hand over my heart, am I less patriotic than the guy next to me who does? How about if he puts his hand over his heart, but I salute? What if I sing along?

The guy misses the point completely. What he describes here happens all the time. This isn't just a case where a player or group of players were simply doing something on their own that someone might deem "less respectful" by some subjective measure (fiddling with a piece of clothing, blowing bubblegum, etc.).

The players themselves have made a dedicated, concerted effort to make their actions a political statement in a way that THEY have decided is a demonstration of something less than full respect.

47 posted on 09/26/2017 4:40:57 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("Tell them to stand!" -- President Trump, 9/23/2017)
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when exactly did how we behave during a national anthem become a litmus test on our patriotism?

About 1775.

48 posted on 09/26/2017 4:42:27 AM PDT by Jim Noble (Single payer is coming. Which kind do you like?)
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To: TBP
Also, when exactly did how we behave during a national anthem become a litmus test on our patriotism? I mean, if I stand but don’t put my hand over my heart, am I less patriotic than the guy next to me who does? How about if he puts his hand over his heart, but I salute? What if I sing along?

What if you put your hands on your "package" like Obama did?

What if you make a comment like "all this for a damn flag" like Michelle did?

What if you sing the Anthem, and get the words wrong, like Hillary did?

49 posted on 09/26/2017 4:44:12 AM PDT by Fresh Wind (Hillary: Go to jail. Go directly to jail. Do not pass GO. Do not collect 2 billion dollars.)
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To: TBP

“The flag is a piece of fabric”

Not necessary to read any further.


50 posted on 09/26/2017 4:49:07 AM PDT by odawg
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following people are paying their lies:

Consessionaire’s
Parking attendants.
Restaurant employees around the arena
Taxpayers who will not realize the return on investment due to lost revenue because of reduces sales...
Those who sell paraphanelia like hats, magazines, uniforms, etc.
Bartenders and waiters

The children of these workers who will not receive medical or dental care

“How Long, if ever, will it take them to recover a loss of income they could not forsee and have no influence over the duration?”

Many will lose their home because they unable to pay their rent because these “Bwave” Social Warriors need to take a stand.

Thought Experiment:
“What about the numerous charities, who will find themselves short on donations from the league, advertisers, etc?”

Hey, what about the loss of tax revenues to the taxpayers who funded your Fantabulous Stadium?

How many hotel employees will lose their jobs? HOmes or cars?

The Playuhs? Well, they get their check no matter what because their contract demands it.

Pretty sure they won’t be worried about the electric bill this month...

So brave, as this stunt costs them exactly nothing....


51 posted on 09/26/2017 4:53:01 AM PDT by Vendome (I've Gotta Be Me - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wH-pk2vZG2M)
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” when exactly did how we behave during a national anthem become a litmus test on our patriotism?”

1776, you A$$HOLE.


52 posted on 09/26/2017 5:01:47 AM PDT by faucetman (Ju"st the facts, ma'am, Just the facts)
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To: odawg

“The flag is a piece of fabric”

‘Not necessary to read any further.’

This ‘piece of fabric/cloth’ is becoming a mantra.

Just for myself, it’s the third time within the past hour that I’ve read ‘piece of fabric/cloth’ on Free Republic... Plus at least one time yesterday.


53 posted on 09/26/2017 5:03:48 AM PDT by Heart of Georgia (#DrainTheSwamp #HeFights)
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I suspect EVERY veteran knows what it means to begin and end their workday with a reverent acknowledgement of the flag.

Most school children used to start their day with an oath of allegiance to that same flag.

Hey NFL, display your flaming Hillary butt hurt on your own time.

54 posted on 09/26/2017 5:04:34 AM PDT by Aevery_Freeman (Why do those with the least to say do so loudly and often?)
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To: TBP

“....A private organization can set conditions for employment....”

P*R*I*V*A*T*E organization.

These guys are “at work”. It’s a “JOB”. Try telling your boss to F*ck off at work in front of co-workers or give him the finger. We’ll see you in the unemployment line.


55 posted on 09/26/2017 5:08:50 AM PDT by faucetman (Ju"st the facts, ma'am, Just the facts)
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” How bizarre would it be if each day you showed up at work as a plumber or truck driver or lawyer “

How bizarre would it be if each day you showed up at work as a plumber dressed as a lawyer or a lawyer dressed as a plumber?

Try telling your boss that it’s your freedom of expression. He will exercise his freedom to FIRE YOU!


56 posted on 09/26/2017 5:12:08 AM PDT by faucetman (Ju"st the facts, ma'am, Just the facts)
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“Then let’s stop politicizing sports by even playing the national anthem or “God Bless America” “

Stopped right there. The flag and national anthem have nothing to do with politics.

5.56mm


57 posted on 09/26/2017 5:14:01 AM PDT by M Kehoe
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To: Political Junkie Too

And the JERK that wrote this POS article didn’t know this?


58 posted on 09/26/2017 5:22:14 AM PDT by faucetman (Ju"st the facts, ma'am, Just the facts)
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To: TBP
When a plumber comes to a house there's no minyan. At a sports arena there is; and it's a time to honor and reflect upon the values and virtues of our country.

ML/NJ

59 posted on 09/26/2017 5:27:31 AM PDT by ml/nj
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To: TBP

Back in the 50’s children in my school rose for the Pledge of Allegiance and Bible verses were read out. We should return to that practice.


60 posted on 09/26/2017 5:37:39 AM PDT by New Jersey Realist ( (Be Nice To Your Kids. They Will Pick Out Your Nursing Home))
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