Posted on 09/13/2017 8:29:58 PM PDT by WilliamIII
Enough new Dem votes to block Trumps reelection? Is that why Pelosi is grinning tonight?
Texas is getting blue spots just like a lot of red states. Ours are a rural/urban split just like other states so most new citizens (if there is even a path to citizenship in the bill) will be in altready blue enclaves. Remember that a lot of them have been living like second generation industrial Americans so they’ve flocked to cities and have urban birth rates.
I heard the Freedom Caucus guys on Sean Hannity’s radio show the other day.
They said chain migration will turn those 800,000 into 3 - 4 million.
Thanks. I do want to address that 30 million number though.
Yes, it’s a little less than 1 in 10 (of the 330 million) U.S. Citizens now.
Remember though, these people are not always counted. 330 million would rise considerably if they were all counted.
We may be talking about 360 million bodies in the U.S., with all illegals counted.
I have no idea how many are in my state California, but everywhere you look you see prime candidates. If I were to find out we had 10 to 15 million illegals in-state, it wouldn’t shock me at all.
Nobody knows.
We do have three half a trillion dollar cement high school edifices in downtown Los Angeles. It’s my take a very large portion of the student bodies are the children of illegal aliens.
Isn’t it 800,000 then since the average age of these ‘children’ is in the thirties... we can assume many dreamers have kids of their own... and on and on and on...
The ‘deal’ should include a 15 year ban on voting... treat them as if they had to wait in line.
Not nitpicking here I hope but... That 325 million number is supposed to include all illegal aliens as the census is just estimating people rather than citizens in specific. That’s why a lot of conservatives complain when districts are apportioned. Census data is usually not the source for numbers on illegal aliens for that reason. Upper end estimates for total number of illegal aliens present are currently 9-12 million. While that is a considerable number DACA is only a fraction of those.
Not trying to be argumentative. Let me run this by you.
Reagan’s program signed in 1986 (or there abouts), pretty much cleaned the slate of illegal aliens. 3.5 million signed up, even though Reagan was assured only 1.0 million would.
1990=0
By the 2000 census, there were nine million documented illegal aliens in the United States. This was confirmed with an after Census corrective statement to lock in the estimates.
What they want us to believe, is that 9 million came over in ten years back then, but only 3 million have come over since. Following me?
The rate that had been 900,000 per year for nine years on average, was then supposed to have dropped to less than 176,470 for the next 17 years, if we’re supposed to believe we only have 12 million now.
That’s just preposterous.
Time magazine clocked the yearly crossing at 3.5 million around 2004. Remember, Bush had pushed amnesty hard.
I never bought into that figure, but it was very believable that there were as many as 1.5 to 2.0 million coming over each year.
We had a person who was in a position to know. It was reported that illegal alien apprehensions along the border for one nine month period was 900,000 people. That’s a 1.2 million figure when annualized. The real kicker here was that the border agents claimed they traditionally only caught about 10 out of every 100 coming across the border. Even if you graced them for catching 20 out of 100, that means the 1.2 million figure grows five times. If it truly was 10/100, it grows ten times. Think about that for a minute. These are hard numbers too.
From 2000 to 2010, it’s my take we had AT THE VERY LEAST another ten million (rounding), and perhaps as many as 15-25 million.
Since that time we’ve had another 1-1.5 million coming over every year.
9 million in the 90s.
10 million in the first decade of the 21st Century.
10 million in the second decade up until now.
You tell me what you come up with, and these are very conservative estimates.
12 million here now?
That’s insulting.
Well here is another thread with some thoughts on your question...
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3585683/posts?page=6
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Anyone who thinks that Trump's meeting with Schumer and Pelosi is a good thing for conservatism or the future of America is a fool.
Here's how it's going to actually go in the Caucus:
GOPe/RINO's: "We want X, Y, and Z".
Conservatives: "Nope. Not going to do that. No Amnesty."
GOPe/RINO's: "OK, fine. Trump is already dealing with the Commies. We'll cut a deal with them, too. We've offered you the best deal you're going to get."
That's what's going to happen. Trump has now allowed the Dems to cut the GOP in half, and the half he's empowered is the LEFT half. So much for "9-Dimensional Chess."
The number will get much higher once the lawyers and immigration advocates get involved. We can't even get the Federal Courts to agree on the fact that keeping non-citizens out of the US is a plenary power of the US President's, despite clear Constitutional language, plain statutory authority, and the entire Federal Case Law before 2000 to that effect. Does anyone seriously believe the Circuit Courts are going to ply the straight and narrow with people already qualified (in their minds) as US Persons? Dream on.
EXACTLY the same thing happened to Reagan's Amnesty. It was the biggest mistake of his Presidency and we've learned NOTHING.
Second, the claim that there will/can be limitations on them voting, going to the back of the line, only getting permits to work ... whatever ... is 100% C R A P.
You think there's unrest in the country now? Wait until the activists start talking about how Republican White Supremacists are making a whole new generation of "Americans" into "3/5 of a person." "No 2nd Class Citizens!" "Legalize the Dreamers!" They will be talking Citizenship NOW! And they will get it.
I think DACA says they must be under 30.
That is only those currently registered (with about half of that fraudulent).
But this new bill significantly expands DACA and lowers the bar so various felony convictions don’t have to get in the way. It also offers a green card (and thus guaranteed) path to citizenship.
It truly is sickening.
“Texas is getting blue spots just like a lot of red states. Ours are a rural/urban split just like other states so most new citizens (if there is even a path to citizenship in the bill) will be in altready blue enclaves. Remember that a lot of them have been living like second generation industrial Americans so they’ve flocked to cities and have urban birth rates.”
Yah, for sure. There’s the core cities of our major metropolitan area; Dallas, Houston, Austin, San Antonio. Fortunately, the surrounding communities are still red. Don’t know how long it will last though....
“The thinking by Trump apologists that this “frees up the conservatives and boxes in the GOPe” is a genuine marvel of delusional thinking.”
It’s only delusional if the Conservatives do not take up arms and primary the establishment. You win at the ballot box. We have been so focused on “just get a Republican in there” that the big picture went missing.
We cannot have a Conservative country if we do not have a conservative majority. Trump is making deals because that’s what he does.
anyone could claim DACA, they could just say they left and are coming back
Do you have a link?
EXACTLY the same thing happened to Reagan's Amnesty.
It was the biggest mistake of his Presidency and we've learned NOTHING...You think there's unrest in the country now? Wait until the activists start talking about how Republican White Supremacists are making a whole new generation of "Americans" into "3/5 of a person." "No 2nd Class Citizens!" "Legalize the Dreamers!" They will be talking Citizenship NOW! And they will get it.
OMG - YOU must also have a large family and ALL of them except YOU are democrats... (My way of saying to TOTALLY "GET IT"...)
Thanks for sharing.
It will be the non-white, get whitey's sh*t, everything white is bad, tear it all down party.
We'll be looking at the Democrat party of the early 2000s as the "good old days".
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