Posted on 09/11/2017 5:35:31 PM PDT by Kaslin
In the 1980s, I had a boss who had gotten a masters degree in psychology from New York University. He was a brilliant man; could have been a doctor. He told me a story that explains much of what we see in society today.
It seems that while doing his graduate work in the early 1960s, he had to do research on lab rats, which were given the synthetic hormones used in the then new birth control pills. The results, he told me, showed that the grandchildren of these lab rats would have high rates of homosexual behaviors. From what he told me, the findings were suppressed. Apparently, the powers that be wanted “the pill” to pass muster. What happened to the second generation of rats that followed was of no consequence to them.
Then my boss told me: The first generation of kids born to mothers using the pill have already arrived. But we should expect in another generation a noticeable increase in homosexual behavior, as they would be the second generation. As that was then still in the future, I was shocked.
This was told me in the mid '80s. By his reckoning, we should have seen a societal explosion of homosexuality starting around 2000, and subsequently. And, of course, we have seen such an explosion. His prediction came true.
Now, to many classic conservatives – whether religious or merely social – homosexuality is a choice, something which can be learned and/or unlearned. The problem is: There is a degree of evidence that it may be contrariwise in some individuals.
I invite one to look at this short CBS 60 Minutes documentary about what happens to lab rats treated with sex hormones early on their development.
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We ought to be careful not to get confused. I see a maladaption problem.
There are some biological factors that can contribute to produce a certain shape of masculine mind that society has no room for at its inn.
It needn’t “go gay.” But it needs the right resources and guidance, but even yet better late than never (and lessons learned can be brought to bear to benefit the next generations).
We really don’t need smug smart alecks here. We need people with a heart who can show the next generations how to use their hearts.
That’s the sound, that’s the sound, that’s the sound of a “nopardons.”
Same sex attraction is the artificial, free response to trauma. Mommies who take the pill encourage the son’s ssa response to trauma. Healing the trauma removes the ssa.
Sadly, ssa is a binary response to trauma and seeks to join other people of ssa. It is a rule of zoology that small animals herd together for protection. Similarly, gays herd together for cowardly affirmation.
Go bother someone else; cuddles.
Since the pill hasn’t been around for very long, in the scheme of things, then explain all of the many millennias, previous to the early 1960s, filled with homosexuals.
Orthodox rabbis often advise people to try and avoid their homosexual urges, even to marry the opposite sex. But in a personal conversation, they mostly feel private sex lives are for Gd to sort out.
Years ago I remember Dennis Prager relating a story when he was at puberty age at his yeshiva. He went to his father and talked about how the Torah says not to masturbate. His father told him, “Gd has so many more important issues to worry about. Don’t worry about it.”
Two issues affect us all in the homosexuality topic. 1) There are more gays and possibly increasing; we should look to cause and prevention with a clinical, fearless eye; and 2) there is a gay agenda by the leftists which we need to reflect onto them and stop. Wanting decent treatment is fine, anything more than that is heterophobia.
Might I suggest chopping wood every few weeks? Pick up a competitive hobby. Ride a motorcycle or a horse. Hormones increase under a variety of conditions... some conditions increase the wrong hormones.
Besides, these days a man who gets a woman pregnant is likely to end up paying her way through life. So it’s probably economically beneficial.
I’m one of those crazy Christians so I have a somewhat different point of view for a largely Christian society.
Still, I think being frank about these things (we often act as if God would be surprised at sin) is helpful. Allow the occasion of falling into sin (which begins with ideas) to be a learning opportunity. Don’t worry, but do by all means ask God to see how to do better next time.
You describe yourself well and give advice you are well off to take.
I’ve got a heart. You’re just a haughty judgmental nut with no sense of either humor or humanity.
To me after 50 plus years of observing I think it’s nurtured and has predetermining factors
I’ve seen toddlers very feminine and sissified at say 18 months way before a choice or excessive nurturing
Pursing lips and twinkle toe posturing and feminine speech
DNA .....why do so many homosexual men look feminine and are pretty....or even handsome?
Nurturing ....why are so many queer men the product of coddling moms whom they have unhealthy relationships with
Is it causative or reactive ...chicken versus egg
Or Toyota Tundra driving buzz cut dykes....very physically masculine
I think it’s both nature and nurture
Not sure anyone wants to be a homosexual except dykes
Gay men seem to have lost the ability to see women sexually as objects of penetration and caress and prefer being penetrated themselves
All the queers I’ve known were sissies early....and pretty
The women were a little harder to figure early on
Rescue lesbos are all nurture
As maybe as molested boys who lose the ability to be penetrstors with sexual confidence preferring instead to be submissive twinks
I apologize
I probably lost people here
>> homosexuality is a choice
Does that include abused children?
Homosexuality is not the problem. It’s disregard, negligence, and condemnation of the natural heterosexual family that’s the problem. And any honest homo would admit to this.
We all know that once the family goes, so goes society. We need to focus on the family.
Homosexuals not unlike the poor will always be among us. And that’s not to say that are not without us.
Maladaption.
The most serious sin comes not even in the act, but in the refusal to even contemplate another mode of living.
God knows that sin is stronger than we. And that fig leaves are no good. The important thing to note is that He can live in your heart and He is stronger than sin. The devil’s trap is also the opportunity for God to spring one free from the trap.
I believe it well to look at such issues, with a constant consciousness of God both above and with us.
I see people who see no niche. It’s a problem God knows about, but which He desires to be used as a learning occasion — sin and all — of how He can support and rebuild a new heart, one which finds its niche in God.
From what I can tell, you’re describing three different things:
1 - early non-conforming behaviors
2 - later behaviors that are deliberately non-conforming
3 - destabilizing gender abuse
Knowing many families, the first is not uncommon and transient. The second is not common, and hopefully, neither is the third which is perhaps the most neglected and denied group requiring honest attention.
>> I probably lost people here
LOL, I definitely lose more on a regular basis...
I agree, but would also like to here that without the pretense of terms. And that’s not to deny Christ, my FRiend.
But more specifically you’re right about the nurture aspect.
It as in the parable of the prodigal son. Having carelessly dissipated his inheritance, which he brazenly demanded of his father before going his own wild way, he is reduced to being ravenous for swine fodder.
The story, however, ends happily when he returns in humility to his father. The fatted calf is slaughtered and there is a return party. (His elder brother is also jealous. But his father explains that it is about love and rejoicing.)
Can you elaborate this about “pretense of terms”? I’ve got a sense of a dialogue going on in which I can only hear one side. S’excuse s’accuse.
But I do seem to get an idea that you’re having a problem with the primacy of Christ in His full divine regalia — including plenary pardoning power.
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