10 missing after US Navy destroyer collides with merchant ship off Singapore

Yahoo Noose and Propaganda ^ | August 21, 2017 | LUCIEN BRUGGEMAN

[Navy Patriot]

A Navy guided-missile destroyer, the USS John S. McCain, collided with a commercial vessel east of Singapore early Monday morning local time, the Navy said.

There were 10 sailors missing and five injured, the Navy said. "Four of the injured were medically evacuated by a Republic of Singapore Navy Puma helicopter to a hospital in Singapore for non-life threatening injuries," the Navy said in a statement. "The fifth injured Sailor does not require further medical attention."

The collision with the merchant ship Alnic MC occurred east of the Straits of Malacca and Singapore at 6:24 a.m. Japan Standard Time, as the McCain was on its way for a routine port visit in Singapore, the Navy said.

[dila813]

I want old Navy Discipline handed down, there needs to be a court martial and these men might end up going to prison.

They need immediately relieved.

I am sorry, when I was in it was a hard life. You could go to the Captain’s Mast for holding hands with a girl friend in uniform.

Now you see them dressing men dressing as girls.

[blueunicorn6]

Yep.

PDA - Public Display of Affection

Frowned on in the Army, too.

Command is a sacred obligation.

My bosses made fun of me for teaching young Officers that the word “Commander” comes from ancient Sanskrit and means,

“The one to whom we entrust the lives of our beloved.”

Command is a sacred obligation and I hope that the Commanders of these ships felt that way.

I will give them the benefit of doubt until proven otherwise.

If they did violate this sacred obligation, then I’m with you.

[Navy Patriot]

There are many redundancies for steering on these ships, they even have manual steering that they can relay from the bridge over coms.

It would cut down their maneuverability but they still would be better than a cargo ship. We have procedures for this, one is notifying everyone the area and setting your signal flags when you are in one of the most busy straights in the world.

Everyone knows that ship equipment failure is not an excuse. It is the Captain’s job to make sure his ship is seaworthy.

You're preaching to the choir here, I know this as well as you.

I didn't assign blame or make any excuses. I merely reported a rumor of a possible mechanical/equipment failure at a critical time.

Your "cargo ship" is the Liberian flagged Alnic MC, running at 30,040 tons and 183 meters

[dila813]

Well unless something extraordinary is discovered, it will be their fault and our Navy will have to pay for all the damages and injuries.

[Navy Patriot]

Current position of the Alnic MC, dead in the water, Singapore Strait: Here

[al baby]

No No No the American Taxpayer will

[G Larry]

It seems that there is a conscious directive for our ships NOT to use their radar/sonar collision avoidance systems because those same signals may be used by enemies to track our ships.

I suggest a rapid transition to a laser CAV system at a light frequency and interval not susceptible to enemy tracking.

[BuffaloJack]

The commanding officer of this ship is toast.

[minnesota_bound]

Maybe the Navy should use this to track ships:
https://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/home/centerx:-12.0/centery:25.0/zoom:4

They can also use their radar and post men to look out the windows.
Geez they miss giant ships coming at them slowly and they are suppose to be able to avoid missiles coming at them?

They must be playing video games or listening to their music on the bridge.

[Navy Patriot]

I would suggest all systems be installed and ready to monitor marine and air traffic including those that are strictly civilian (but without transponder), and allow the captain to select which to use under the real time needs of his command.

Sometimes you have to break cover to save lives overall or remain in the fight.

[Navy Patriot]

The commanding officer of this ship is toast.

Of that, there is no doubt.

[dila813]

Dead in the water or being told to hold position by Singapore?

[dila813]

True, and the poor seamen who lost their lives.

[dila813]

No one would do that in one of the biggest shipping channels in the world. Not even the North Koreans would be that stupid.

[dila813]

They have that all already, have had it for years. As far as the Transponder, they are required to have that on in major shipping channels unless they are at war.

[Navy Patriot]

Dead in the Water is the STATE of the vessel.

I did not speculate on the REASON.

[dila813]

In the Navy, you would describe this as dead stop, dead in the water means propulsion is down. Anchored is dead stop.

I am not sure what civilians would describe this as, but I took your meaning that propulsion was down.

[G Larry]

Stand by for the official report....

[dila813]

https://www.wsj.com/articles/navy-begins-broad-review-of-collisions-with-10-sailors-still-missing-1503329812

The Alnic anchored off the coast of Singapore late Monday under its own power, pending damage assessments. It suffered a gash toward the front of the ship, the Stealth spokesman said, but the damage was over the waterline.

[Navy Patriot]

OK, you will notice on the real time link I provided that the Alnic MC is at a Dead Stop AND is being given wide berth by surronding traffic as they are advised that she cannot immediately respond to maneuver.

This is Dead in the Water, which can be caused by loss of propulsion or order from a legitimate maritime authority.

Regardless of the reason, because of her inability to quickly respond to maneuver, she is being given the wide berth required of all ships other than rescue vessels. The lack of nearby rescue vessels likely means she has minor damage, few or no minor injuries, and is seaworthy. Therefore, her state is probably due to compliance with the local Maritime authority.