What I saw yesterday in Charlottesville

Myself | 8/13/2017

[Altura Ct.]

I am not a writer but will do the best I can. I arrived about 10:30ish. Was actually surprised that I was able to find a parking space relatively close to Lee Park. In fact I thought that perhaps the turnout wouldn't be as big as I was anticipating because I didn't see much at first and I was only 5 blocks from ground zero but I was wrong. By the time I had walked one block toward the park the police presence was strong. Many in riot type gear. They had most streets and walkways blocked off funneling everyone into two or three entrances to ground zero. As I got closer to the park you could feel the tension. The Antifa presence was strong as was BLM. Didn't see many 'alt-righters' till I got to the park. (One note here - I think some people were there just to watch. It also wasn't always clear who was who.)

E Market St was the only way the police were allowing entrance to the park. The park is not huge. I'm guessing, but maybe 1.5 acres or so. It also is on a mound/hill so you have take steps up from Market St to get to it. There are two sets of steps up to the park from Market St. I was coming from the south. The northern entrance was for those protesting the removal of the statue and had been cordoned off as best they could. The southern entrance was for everyone else although most people in the park were statue removal protesters (alt-right). As I got to the park the crowds were already pretty thick. The northern entrance had some priest/religious figure locking arms with antifa and blocking the entrance. The rhetoric and name calling was heavy from both sides. By the time I got to the park it was maybe 10:45 with the event slated to start @ noon. It looked to me there were about 300-400 alt-righters up top at the park and maybe 1000 -1500 others on the street being a mixture of the left and right but mostly left. By noon I would say the total number of people on all sides had swelled to 4-5,000. I position myself at the southern entrance on top of a retaining wall alongside 3 or 4 reporters/photographers. There were plenty of BLM signs, African Flags & various left supporting banners/flags. Of course many signs spouting about hatred and Nazi's too. The right had many Confederate Flags, various state flags & US flags, A Few Don't Tread On Me and a couple I didn't recognize. I've seen some pictures that show a few Nazi Flags/armbands but I didn't see them. Not saying there weren't there but again I didn't see them.

About 11:10 or so a group of about 50-75 statue supporters were making their way down Market street toward the park from the South. As they approached the southern entrance to the park is when the first violence started. Bottles of water, balloons of paint and bags of urine were thrown at them from the crowd. When that happen the shoving started, fist were flying and people hitting each other with sticks. Of course the right stood up for themselves. Now I'm not saying some on the right wouldn't be violent anyway BUT I can say for a fact they didn't start it. Also the police did nothing to quell the violence. Once it started it went on for at least 30-40 minutes or more with crap flying every which way. Also within this 30 + minutes a second group of about the same size also made there way down the street and this just exacerbated the chaos.

In looking at the pictures I took I see there aren't really any during this timeframe. I also wish I had taken more overall but all I know is if you weren't looking up and paying attention you were liable to be hit. Crap was being thrown in all directions but in a general direction without care to where it landed. I myself stopped 6 bottles coming in my direction, one from hitting the photographer next to me in the head.

As we approached noon the violence and shouting was prevalent. At this point the police started making the announcement on a bullhorn that the alt-right was having what had been declared an illegal gathering and that they must disperse or be arrested. They did nothing to contain nor restrain the left only the right. The right, who had legally obtain a permit to be there. They complied which I not sure if I was in charge I would have done, but that is another story. After this, while things continued to be chaotic people became more spread out and violence started to dissipate. As a side note I didn't see the vehicle thing.

I've never been in the middle of something like this. I found it fascinating & unnerving at the same time. In a split second things can escalate.

You can say what you want about those that were present on the right. They were there to speak to the removal of that statue and history. The MSM and politicians are railing on about the hatred and violence from the 'white supremacist' yesterday? But the left was full of vitriol & had no problem with violence even though you'd never know it from the press. I am not saying those on the right were all boy scouts but they had a right to be there and to have their right protected to assemble. Had the left not been there I am relatively certain no violence would have happened.

[matthew fuller]

OK, I did misread your statement, you did say prefer and not trust Sessions. But I never said that I preferred McCaulliffe, just that I don’t trust Sessions either.

[alternatives?]

“Here’s a better idea: Don’t hold a rally.”

The problem is they tried and will try in the future to shut down the Trump rallies as well.

They will also hire a few people to wear Nazi armbands to discredit any conservative rally

The lefts goal is to shut down all forms of dissent. Be it global warming, gay marriage, you name it.

[VanDeKoik]

“There is something wrong with Nazi rallies.”

Well I think that goes without saying. :D

[VanDeKoik]

“They will also hire a few people to wear Nazi armbands to discredit any conservative rally”

People tried that with Trump rallies and gatherings, and people gladly pointed them out and made it clear that they were not with the group, and made them leave.

[American Quilter]

Thanks for your report, Altura Ct.

[4Runner]

Keep in mind that many left-wing orgs have spent years infiltrating conservative and right-wing outlets, with the dual purpose of converging them leftward (i.e. taking over leadership and subverting them) and sowing dissension within the ranks. Free Republic has assuredly been targeted as well. Watch out!

I've been watching out for years here. Every time I post a comment that is in conformation with conservative principles I am personally attacked by a swarm of haters, instead of getting general agreement. This is not the same Free Republic I remember from years ago. Yes, you are correct, we HAVE been infiltrated by the opposition.

[entropy12]

Yes, and I am pushing for CA to secede from the union. That will get rid of huge amount of illegals and welfare dependents. My wife once worked as a biller in a medical practice in CA, and half of the patients were on Medi-Cal.

[MarvinStinson]

Thanks for that, Altura.

[rlmorel]

And this is in addition to $33 million from the Soros Open Society foundations.

Bill Whittle asks rhetorically in his excellent "Black Lives Kills People" what an organization like "Black Lives Matter" is going to do with $133 Million dollars? Basically, it is Leftist street muscle. Much like they bragged in the Veritas Videos about using the unions to carry out tasks to foment violence at Trump rallies. Gee. Nobody seems to remember that (at least in the media). But, yeah. Busses. Signs. Organizational costs.

Here is a link to that excellent video that puts things in the proper perspective:
It is a 7 minute video which puts it in context, and explains much.

He asks the question: "$133 Million? That is a lot of money. What are they going to do with it?

The answer? Black Lives Matter is simply leftist street muscle.

"Black Lives Matter Kills People" by Bill Whittle

[Rusty0604]

Thank you so much for sharing your experience. Yours is the only report that is believable.

[Yashcheritsiy]

Exactly. Free Republic is still a good outlet, but is becoming increasingly “buggy,” and not in an IT sort of way.

[Rusty0604]

I know. Not everyone that doesn’t want our history removed and rewritten is a Nazi or racist.

[American Quilter]

After Chicago, Berkley, D.C., and other examples, there is NO EXCUSE for people on our side to go into situations like this with the level of stupidity as these people did if they were running a clean event.

Very good suggestions. Fight fire with fire.

[Rusty0604]

Of course, and a racist! They want to erase and rewrite history. The civil war wasn’t even over slavery to begin with, the union just threw that in there to get more people behind it.

[Yashcheritsiy]

Unfortunately, Judaism forfeited any claim to status as true religion when Israel rejected their Messiah. With that rejection, Judaism entered into a new status as a pagan religion, worshiping a false god who is different from the God of the Bible (OT and NT). God has a Son, Judaism says He doesn’t. God is a Trinity, Judaism says He isn’t. God’s Son is the Second Person of the Trinity who yet incarnated to save mankind from their sins, Judaism denies all this. Christianity worships the trinitarian God of the Bible. Judaism worships an unitarian monstrosity of their own devising, a man-made god as much an idol as the bronze baals of old.

There is, and cannot be, any such thing as “Judeo-Christianity.”

America was not founded on “Judeo-Christianity.” America was founded on Christianity. The basis of the West is in Christianity. The West is the fulfillment of what Israel was supposed to be, but which it rejected being when it rejects its Messiah.

It’s utterly ignorant - shamefully ignorant - to tell Westerners that they shouldn’t want to preserve their cultures and civilisation - which has *objectively* been the best that has yet appeared on earth, especially when the whole context for their saying this is that their civilisation is coming under sustained assault by barbarous third-world savages. What you’re essentially saying is that you want the West to die at the hands of Muslim savages, all because of your own Jewish supremacy issues.

Ignorant, foolish, philistine, wicked, disgusting.

[entropy12]

Thank you for understanding me better. Much appreciated. I am one off those who does not discard the acceptable because it is not perfect.

As for Sessions, I wish he would resign and Trump can appoint a new AG who does not need to recuse from Mueller’s investigation. But until that happens, Sessions is preferable to McAulliffe whom I do not trust at all.

[oldvirginian]

This has been nearly 100 years in the making. We are now in the beginning of the endgame.
Most of the young people I know are disgusted by the leftist mob, though there are a few BLM sympathisers among the feral yutes.

It is a fight for survival.
Will we reclaim our Republic?
Will we become the Socialist States of America?
Only time and blood will tell.

It will not be a stand-up fight like the revolution, CW or either world wars.
It will evolve into a nasty guerilla war that will linger for years.
Look for the blue helmet types to make an appearance at some point.

[Yashcheritsiy]

But they will be portrayed as such. We can already see that in response to my warning on this thread. If you “side with” the Nazis, then “you’re just as bad as the Nazis, because you don’t want your heritage destroyed either. But that’s just as well, because your heritage is crud next to our magnificent three thousand year old perfect theocracy (which hasn’t existed for over two thousand of those years).”

[matthew fuller]

I agree with you on McCauliffe. I don’t think Sessions knows what he is doing, or if he is aware of the Bunkerville trial.

[Southside_Chicago_Republican]

Stormfront has been discussing and promoting this event for weeks. So Stormfront, Don Black, and David Duke are in the bag for Soros?