Posted on 08/09/2017 9:30:30 AM PDT by Kaslin
Have a gun license? Plan to bring your gun to my hometown? Don't.
Mean New York authorities will make your life miserable.
Patricia Jordan and her daughter flew here from her home state of Georgia. She wanted her gun nearby for protection.
Jordan obeyed all the Transportation Security Administration's rules: She put her gun in a locked TSA-approved case with its bullets separate. She informed the airline that she had a gun. The airline had no problem with that.
In New York City, she kept the gun locked in her hotel room. She never needed it, but her daughter told me, "I was glad she brought it just in case something did happen."
When leaving the city, Jordan followed the TSA's rules again. At the airline counter, she again told the agent she wanted to check her gun. But this time, she was told: "Wait."
"Next thing I know, they're getting ready to arrest me," she said.
Her daughter was crying, "Please don't arrest my mom!" But New York City cops arrested her, jailed her and told her she was guilty of a felony that mandates a minimum 3 1/2 years in jail.
Jordan's ordeal is not unique. Roughly once a week, New York City locks up people for carrying guns legally licensed by other states.
Another Georgia visitor, Avi Wolf, was jailed although he didn't even have a gun. He just had part of a gun -- an empty magazine -- a little plastic box with a small metal spring. He brought it to the city because it wasn't working well and he thought a New York friend might repair it. He couldn't believe he was being arrested.
"Somebody could've done more damage to an individual with a fork from McDonald's," Wolf told me.
Wolf, too, checked with the TSA beforehand. They said, just declare it to TSA agents. So he did.
"I'm telling them ... I have a magazine here. It's empty, no bullets ... Next thing I know they're pulling me over to the side, they're like, 'Do you know what you have in your bag?!' 'I know what I have in my bag, I told you what I have in my bag.'"
Following TSA instructions didn't do Wolf any good. "Fast forward about an hour and it was four Port Authority police there. The chief of LaGuardia airport is there, [as if] they thought they found somebody trying to do 9/11 repeat," he says.
"They asked me if I had a gun license. Of course I had a license. I'm from Georgia, and everybody there's got a gun license. And they're like, well, sir, you're going to be getting arrested now."
Wolf and Jordan spent less than a day in jail, but each had to pay lawyers $15,000 to bargain the felony charge down to "public disorder."
"We are not going to apologize for enforcing our gun laws," said Assistant District Attorney Jack Ryan when I confronted him about these pointless and cruel arrests. He said New York City enforces laws as "humanely and as compassionately as we can."
But the system is neither fair nor humane.
Patricia Jordan kept her bullets separate from her gun, as TSA regulations require.
"The officer could not even find my bullets in my suitcase. I had to show him where they were," she told me.
That didn't matter, said the DA, because the gun and bullets were in the same suitcase.
"Under New York law, if they're together, they're loaded," says Ryan.
"They're loaded even if they're not loaded?!" I asked. Yes, he said.
I called him a sadistic bully (the full video is at JohnStossel.com). He replied that New York City must make sure people are "not threats."
New York claims this keeps us safe. But people like Jordan and Wolf actually make us safer. Texas data shows licensed gun owners are seven times less likely to murder someone than a nonlicensed person. They also prevent some crimes. Nationwide, crime has dropped as the percentage of people with concealed handgun permits has risen.
Licensed gun owners aren't the problem. Crazy laws and callous prosecution are.
The woman in the article took her firearm to New York City, and declared it when checking in for her return flight. When she declared it, the ticket agent called the police, because she illegally possessed the firearm in the state of New York.
Agreed. I'll stick to states that respect the constitution.
There's a site on the net (should be easy to find with a search) that has a color coded US map showing which states honor other state's gun permits. Makes it easy to plan a trip.
I think I’ve seen it. Still, if the destination is DC, well...
Ah, okay. Thanks. She should have check the gun laws there before going and taking it.
Uhh ok impeccable logic there Francis. That was one of the first red flags into the systems thought process.
On a secondary note we had a USCG member come through with an expended 25mm brass casing from the cutter he was on in the Gulf. It was a piece of memorabilia for him. I held his bag for a short time and have him wait while I sought out a supervisor for an opinion. Under “normal” circumstances it would be confiscated immediately. I made sure to ask the supervisor who was ex-SF. His opinion was that it was just a brass cylinder(which it was) and to let it pass. We told him to keep it in his bag and don't show it around. He was very grateful. All TSA at that time weren't mindless drones but can't say that now.
As I understand it, the rules for handguns in New York State are pretty simple. You must have a permit to even possess a handgun in NY. You must be a resident of the state to get a permit. No visitor (except someone like a Federal Officer) can legally possess a handgun in NY. If you move to NY you have to leave handguns behind until you can get your permit. If you move to NYC forget about it.
If you drive through the state and don’t make any stops you can have one in your car but if you are caught you’ll still be in for a major hassle. If you have a handgun in checked baggage and your plane unexpectedly stops in NY, don’t claim your baggage or you can be arrested.
TSA agents know the rules for flying with firearms. They can’t be expected to know the rules for each state where a firearm might be going.
And of course GA, like most states doesn’t “register” handguns.
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“TSA agents know the rules for flying with firearms. “
TSA agents are the worst source for info about flying with guns.
Gun regulations and laws are meant only to harass and punish the law abiding.
” Wolf and Jordan spent less than a day in jail, but each had to pay lawyers $15,000 to bargain the felony charge down to “public disorder.” “
Do ya think that the judges, lawyers, and TSA folks could possibly be having dinner together at SPARKS on a regular basis where those 15K FEES get split up ??????
I have no problems posting photo’s it just that if you go over a certain limit with Photobucket they won’t let you post from third party sources whatever that is. I think things will come back after the 10th. which is my anniversary date with them.
Why haven’t a gang of greedy lawyers not sued these infringement states into oblivion?
I wouldn’t even bring myself to NY much less a gun for the blue lives matter crowd to get their rocks off.
The TSA geniuses took Joe Foss’s congressional medal of honor...too much like a Chinese throwing star.
Not much. I just want to vent. I think we can still do that on the FR.
Look up “immediate family member” in the SAFE act, quite restrictive. Yet the Leftists want totally expansion of “family” when it comes to allowing illegals into the country - blatant hypocrisy. Basically in NYS they prevent handing down guns in families.
I can only hope someone runs against Cuomo.
I am not referring to reciprocity. I am referring to the States being obligating to recognize the God-given right regardless of permit.
Your original reply to me was a statement of fact (as in the 2nd Amendment is a Right), but it had nothing to do with what I said to the OP, that's all.
I simply stated that his assertion that living in a State with Constitutional Carry Gun Laws would not be enough to allow him to Carry in a State that currently has Reciprocity or would under a Federal Reciprocity Law if one was ever passed.
You would have to have a Conceal Carry Permit issued by your Home State in order to Carry outside your State.
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