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Time for a second lesson for forgetful India [China]
Global Times ^ | 2017/7/24

Posted on 07/25/2017 1:13:04 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster

Time for a second lesson for forgetful India


By John Gong Source:Global Times Published: 2017/7/24 21:08:39

The public's patience is running short with India's Doklam transgression. Nothing can stand in the way of China's and Chinese people's dignity. No government in the world can stand still doing nothing while its borders are being violated.

As India continues down this intransigent path, perhaps it is time that it be taught a second lesson. Their troops in Doklam could either withdraw voluntarily, be captured or may be killed when border disputes escalate, Liu Youfa, China's former consul general in Mumbai, made the above comments in an appearance on CGTN.

As always, India's logic of reasoning on this matter is as feeble as its troops on the ground. India's position is that Doklam is territory in dispute between China and Bhutan, and it has been invited there by Bhutan, its protectorate state. Furthermore, it claims China's road construction in Doklam poses a strategic threat to the "chicken's neck," referring to the 27-kilometer-wide Siliguri Corridor to the south of Doklam that connects the northeastern part of India with the rest of the country.

Chicken's neck or giraffe's neck, who cares? Why would a peaceful China care about the road condition in another country when its only purpose is to improve its own road conditions?

This road in Doklam has been there for at least a decade under firm Chinese administration, and this time China is merely trying to do some asphalt patching work in order to facilitate better logistics support to its border posts. That a public infrastructure project in one country can be viewed as a strategic threat to another, and worse yet be used as an excuse warranting an invasion, is unprecedented in recent human history.

But the Indians have misunderstood their audience. China is no Sikkim or Bhutan, where India's hegemonic tactics have worked. We wouldn't have the patience to listen to that kind of wanton robber logic.

No matter what vassalage relationship India maintains with Bhutan, it baffles this author that India has the courage to transgress another country on its behalf. And in this case, Indian troops even entered into Doklam from the China-Sikkim border. Well, if this kind of logic holds, a third country can certainly enter into Kashmir, including India-controlled Kashmir, upon Pakistan's invitation. (This is not a far-fetched idea.)

Now let's also bear in mind that India has a history of harboring the Dalai Lama in Dharamsala as a strategic counter-China ploy. Underneath the Dalai Lama's façade of peace, there lies a trace of violence at least half a century old. Immediately after he fled to India in 1959, the Dalai Lama became the CIA's henchman in engaging in a terrorist guerrilla war on China.

In more recent years, the Tibetan Youth Congress, the armed wing of the Dalai Lama's regime, instigated several violent riots and is responsible for several terrorist bombings in China. In a way, India is actively harboring terrorism against the Chinese.

To such an unruly neighbor, China should reciprocate in a language that India can understand. The famous or infamous India bravado is never backed up by substance in its history with China. If memory is short on the Indian side, perhaps there should be a second lesson. China is embarking on a historic mission to be a peaceful, prosperous and powerful nation as it has been in history. It can't afford to be constantly distracted by border skirmishes with India.

The author is a professor at the University of International Business and Economics. johngong@gmail.com


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: china; india; sikkim
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To: Tallguy

LOL, I know what you mean, but I laughed a little when I thought of 30 divisions coming across the Yalu into Korea in 1953 as a “large raid”!

I saw a hilarious comedy routine recently with Dana Carvey in “Straight White Male” where he does an impersonation of a documentary (the kind you see so often on PBS) where someone foreign (in this case Chinese) speaks a long paragraph in their native language, and after a pause, is translated into english in a weird, yet characteristic monotone.

So, Dana Carvey does about 10 seconds of gibberish that sounds vaguely like Chinese (to someone who doesn’t know the language) and then translates:

CHINESE PERSON: (Speaks long paragraph of Chinese)

DANA CARVEY INTERPRETER: (in PBS documentary voice) “My name is Liu Xiang. I live in a small town of seven million people north of the factory.”

CHINESE PERSON: (Speaks long paragraph of Chinese)

DANA CARVEY INTERPRETER: “In the factory, we work seven days a week and make shoelaces.”

CHINESE PERSON: (Speaks long paragraph of Chinese)

DANA CARVEY INTERPRETER: “That’s all we do.”

CHINESE PERSON: (Speaks long paragraph of Chinese)

DANA CARVEY INTERPRETER: “My brother in law lives in a small town of 20 million people, and also works at the factory...”

LOL, small town of “20 million”...like a “small raid”!


21 posted on 07/25/2017 4:52:07 AM PDT by rlmorel (Donald Trump: Making Liberal Heads Explode 140 Characters At A Time.)
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To: Tallguy
On a more serious note, though...while at least a portion of this is for Chinese public consumption, there is no doubt the Chicoms are now throwing their weight around. They have been the beneficiaries of a large trade surplus, and have been using that to build their military up and have begun to think they can have global aspirations, and due to the weakness and shrinkage of US influence over the last nine years globally (intentionally) they have assumed they can not only fill the vacuum, but go on the offensive as a belligerent.

They are provoking Japan. They are poking India. They are trying to spread influence down to the Philippines and out to Africa. They are trying to build a blue water navy.

This is what weakness brings, especially when Communists are involved. American politicians of all stripes have been downplaying the ideological aspect of China for several decades, and focusing on the trade and industrial aspects, but...we should never forget:

They are Chicoms. Chinese. Communists.

22 posted on 07/25/2017 5:00:40 AM PDT by rlmorel (Donald Trump: Making Liberal Heads Explode 140 Characters At A Time.)
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To: Williams
That is true. But China is not the same country they were in 1979. I believe China is going to be the cause of the next great war. Doesn't mean I think they are going to win, but I believe they are going to start it.

Here, we have two antagonistic enemies sharing a border, and both have a lot of people and nuclear weapons. This is not a good thing. They are saying the aggressive buildup of forces on the Indian border is "non-aggressive", but...where have we heard THAT before?

23 posted on 07/25/2017 5:05:45 AM PDT by rlmorel (Donald Trump: Making Liberal Heads Explode 140 Characters At A Time.)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Sounds like China is also threatening Indian Kashmir, aiding Pakistan. With what members of the ruling BJP have said about converting all Christians to Hindu, or kicking them out, all by 2021, I don’t have a great deal of sympathy for India. Neither do I like China’s expansionism.

I don’t have a problem with India and China expending a great deal of treasury in a war against each other, if it keeps Indian Christians safe from a BJP pogrom. Go ahead guys, blow each other’s brains out!


24 posted on 07/25/2017 5:11:25 AM PDT by A Formerly Proud Canadian (I once was blind but now I see...)
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To: rlmorel
I heard a story which I am not sure is true, but similar to this one.

A Chinese factory manager came to U.S. to tour around a big American factory. This was alleged to be right after their reform drive started. The American counterpart sent a mid-size car to take him in. He was in Mao suit and carrying an ubiquitous large black bag(a standard Chinese government issue at the time.) The man sent to greet him asked how big a factory the Chinese manager was running. He said it is not a big factory, it only has 500K workers. The stunned American guy called back his boss, and a limo was sent to take him in a hurry.

25 posted on 07/25/2017 5:13:36 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster (dead parakeet + lost fishing gear = freep all day)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Heh, ONLY 500k employees!


26 posted on 07/25/2017 5:17:58 AM PDT by rlmorel (Donald Trump: Making Liberal Heads Explode 140 Characters At A Time.)
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To: Captainpaintball

To the Han Chinese, the rest of the world’s population is less than dirt.


27 posted on 07/25/2017 5:45:15 AM PDT by Noumenon ("Only the dead have seen an end to war.")
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To: JohnyBoy
Nothing works in India.

lol so you are saying a destruction caused by war is no big deal since nothing works now anyways?

OTOH the destruction of manufacturing facilities in China would cause havoc in an export dependent economy which somehow is working OK?

28 posted on 07/25/2017 5:49:07 AM PDT by entropy12 (Republicans: The woo & pursue people who will never vote for them (liberals & media))
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To: A Formerly Proud Canadian

BJP picks on Christians only because they do not like the missionaries constantly trying to convert Hindu’s into Christians.

My advice to BJP: stop worrying about the 24 million Christians and focus on the potential terrorist 138 million Muslims. There are still 827 million Hindu’s remaining, and the missionaries won’t make a big dent in that number.


29 posted on 07/25/2017 5:55:21 AM PDT by entropy12 (Republicans: The woo & pursue people who will never vote for them (liberals & media))
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To: entropy12
OTOH the destruction of manufacturing facilities in China would cause havoc in an export dependent economy which somehow is working OK?

The best thing that could happen to middle America would be a war with China. It would be instant prosperity for Americans as factories would have to be built and people would have to work in them. win-win.

30 posted on 07/25/2017 5:56:57 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Drop dead, China


31 posted on 07/25/2017 6:13:27 AM PDT by Stand W (My Name is Tucker Carlson and I am going to destroy you.)
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To: central_va
You have to rein on soybean farmers, though. They sell grains to China.
32 posted on 07/25/2017 6:21:59 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster (dead parakeet + lost fishing gear = freep all day)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Without the US market China would need to be isolated just to survive-aka Norks. Gratitude. They might need a war because there are too many of them to keep pacified with jobs.


33 posted on 07/25/2017 7:04:02 AM PDT by DIRTYSECRET (urope. Why do they put up with this.)
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To: rlmorel

The really interesting part is that this being mountain warfare there won’t be a lot of hi-tech stuff being used. It’s the old-style PLA going nose-to-nose with the local Indian units with light infantry weapons, mortars & pack-howitzers. Nothing fancy. It will be short, sharp & bloody and India will probably have to decide on whether to escalate.


34 posted on 07/25/2017 8:02:44 AM PDT by Tallguy (Twitter short-circuits common sense. Please engage your brain before tweeting.)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
No government in the world can stand still doing nothing while its borders are being violated.

What are you talking about? That is SOP in Western Europe and the USA.

35 posted on 07/25/2017 8:05:42 AM PDT by jpsb (Never believe anything in politics until it has been officially denied. Otto von Bismark)
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To: Tallguy

Sigh. I hope it doesn’t come to that. The two most populous countries in the world expending tens or hundreds of thousands as cannon fodder isn’t good for anyone.

I don’t want to see hostilities. OTOH, if the Indians have to stand up and fight, that is what they have to do.

Unchallenged Chinese aggression will only invite more Chinese aggression.


36 posted on 07/25/2017 8:07:53 AM PDT by rlmorel (Donald Trump: Making Liberal Heads Explode 140 Characters At A Time.)
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To: entropy12

>There is no way for Chinese troops to invade India, separated by the highest mountain range in the world. Which rules out conventional war. India has tough soldiers in Gurkha’s, Marathi’s and Sikh’s. All totally fearless. Which means China can not win a mountain war.

China’s no slouch at mountain warfare as they demonstrated in Korea. The big limiting factor for China is their lack of a working logistic system.


37 posted on 07/25/2017 10:33:01 AM PDT by JohnyBoy
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To: stormhill

“No government in the world can stand still doing nothing while its borders are being violated”

Will North Korea get a pass?


38 posted on 07/25/2017 11:36:38 AM PDT by Clutch Martin (Hot sauce aside, every culture has its pancake, just as every culture has its noodle.)
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To: JohnyBoy

Highest mountain in S.Korea is 7000’ while the Himalayan Mountains are at 25,000 to 29,000’. Not even in the same ball park.

What will determine the outcome is whose soldiers are more brave. During the last border skirmish, the Indian military was outgunned but fought to a stalemate because the soldiers stood their ground until killed.

Note that it was the Indian troops fighting with the British who were responsible for defeating the Japanese troops in Burma during WWII.

For your historical knowledge, It was Maratha warlord Shivaji who first defeated the much bigger military of Islamic emperor Aurangzeb which in turn stopped expansion of Islam in India. In hand to hand combat, usually the braver soldiers prevail.


39 posted on 07/25/2017 11:57:00 AM PDT by entropy12 (Republicans: The woo & pursue people who will never vote for them (liberals & media))
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To: entropy12

The issue here isn’t bravery, it’s the ability to produce war goods and deliver them to the front and turn those goods into firepower. China has a massive advantage in that area. India is very far behind.


40 posted on 07/25/2017 2:44:42 PM PDT by JohnyBoy
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