Posted on 07/17/2017 11:45:01 PM PDT by Architect of Avalon
In Arkansas, women are now required to get permission from men before going through with abortion services.
The law is a provision of recently passed bill H.B. 1566 which states that in the matter of a person’s death, family members must all agree on what to do with the deceased person’s body.
So, how do women and their bodies play into this at all?
Arkansas legislators decided to include aborted fetuses into the Act, meaning both the mother and the father of the fetus must agree on what to do with the fetal remains.
This essentially requires a woman to tell the individual who impregnated her that she's planning an abortion, and then receive permission from them to do so.
Both parties then must agree on what to do with the remains.
Unfortunately, legislators didn't take into consideration how this could potentially effect women impregnated after rape or abuse.
Additionally, for women under the age of 18, the decision about what to do with the fetal remains will be deferred to her parents or guardians.
The provision is planned to go into effect at the end of this month, however, the ACLU is fighting back.
Members of the ACLU said in a statement:
“Every day, women in Arkansas and across the United States struggle to get the care they need as lawmakers impose new ways to shut down clinics and make abortion unavailable.
“We will fight politicians who not only seek to shame, punish, or burden women for making these decisions, but also try to push care out of reach.”
Big ups to the ACLU for doing the Lord's work.
Regrettably, many pro-lifers are obsessed with the minority of fathers who don’t want to protect their babies between conception and birth, and are thus correspondingly dismissive of the majority of fathers who do want to protect their babies between conception and birth.
It wasn’t all that long ago that a woman’s signature on a contract was worthless if the husband didn’t sign it also.
AND if a woman were to sign a contract for a driveway or new sidewalk and hubby came home and said NO WAY, it didn’t get done or if after the fact, probably have a ‘problem’ collecting.
So, I am sure some lawyer closed that ‘loophole’.
Don’t know if it was actual ‘law’ or just the way things were done...I remember into the 80s or 90s and I would tell a plumber or such to get the wifes signature and he would tell me MINE was needed...
We both had a good ‘laugh’ when I told him he better get hers because she was going to be paying for it as I was perfectly happy with NO sidewalk....<: <:
Women gave up a lot during the “sexual revolution.”
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They gave up the beauty of womanhood, motherhood, and helpmeet.
I raise this issue not because I am for choice but rather to consider all the issues involved in any such legislation.
Planned Parenthood vs Casey, for all intents and purposes, rewrote Roe vs Wade.
“...respective parent a legal veto”
So how is fatherhood determined? Seems like you just pay some guy $50 to say he is the father and give permission.
It would also require the father to admit paternity, not easy in a lot of cases. And if he does sign and the mother changes her mind then he just committed to child support.
The math is simple.
When both parents have a legal right to protect their daughters and sons between conception and birth, neither can demand it over the objection of the other, since it takes the consent of both.
In contrast, when the woman is empowered to unilaterally kill the baby between conception and birth, the imposition of obligations on the father becomes an illogical incongruity.
Add a genetic test to determine paternity, with a huge fine on both parents if the man who signed was not the father.
That would prevent the woman from lying, and would keep the man from signing.
- on both signers -
How dare they assume the mother is a woman!
Indeed true. The woman's body plays into this, but we need to additionally consider the person in the woman's body.
Is that actually part of the law as passed? Genetic testing of fetuses that small is costly and problematic.
Well, unless she created the baby by herself, he SHOULD have some say in its future. He’s the one who gets the bill for supporting it, after all. And we hear endless stories about “deadbeat dads.”
Women can’t have it both ways, and still yammer on about “equality.”
Many feminists are now using the word equity which means total power for women with zero accountability for women.
The co-responsibility for the fetus begins with the act of procreation. The woman did not self-reproduce, so of course her partner SHOULD have SOME mutual say in what course the fetus will obtain.
But yes, in a general sense, irrespective of the abortion issue, I would find a woman has no responsibility to obtain any advise or agreement with the father of a fetus she is carrying when she is only pregnant because the man raped her.
Any law like we are discussing should employ both of those points - the man is a co-partner of the woman’s pregnancy had has some rights concerning the course the fetus will obtain, unless that man fathered the fetus by rape.
I do not include incest. If it is rape, it is rape, no matter the relationship between the man and woman. If it is not rape, and only incest, then the act was mutual, not forced, and the father’s rights should not be ignored.
Since the man can be forced to pay child support, he therefore has the right to vote on abortion. Elementary justice.
And the headline is lying. As another Freeper says, it should be “the father’s permission.”
Equity, parity, equality ... They’re all just code words for “double standard” and “preferential treatment.”
Feminism is dead.
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