Posted on 05/27/2017 8:35:35 AM PDT by rktman
On Monday, Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) introduced a resolution co-sponsored by Sens. Jim Inhofe (R-Okla.), Roger Wicker (R-Miss.), Jim Risch (R-Idaho), Mike Enzi (R-Wyo.), and Orrin Hatch (R-Utah) calling on the Trump administration to withdraw from the agreement. Rep. David McKinley (R-W.Va.) introduced companion legislation in the House.
“We are being asked to place more regulatory burdens on American businesses and our economy,” said Paul. “Despite the high cost, the agreement will do little to solve environmental challenges. I support a path forward that protects both our jobs and our environment instead of sacrificing one for the other.”
On Wednesday, Senate Democrats released a letter to Trump signed by 40 senators warning that withdrawing from the agreement "would be a self-inflicted injury to America’s credibility and influence on the world stage."
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I don’t believe this.
Believe what? That he may be re-thinking his position? Maybe he’s just re-affirming his position that gay paris is a truck load of crap. We shall see. Next week I believe.
I do not believe he is rethinking his position. Just more fake news to try to stir people up.
It’s good if he learns to understand their position.
...and that includes understanding where it is complete crap, with potentially fatal consequences.
OK!! Everybody pay attention!
Lesson for today:
1. The sun is 1,300,000 times as big as the earth.
2. The sun is a giant nuclear furnace that controls the climates of all its planets.
3. The earth is one of the sun’s planets.
4. The earth is a speck in comparison to the size of the sun.
5. Inhabitants of the earth are less than specks.
Study Question: How do less-than-specks in congress plan to control the sun?
Even if scientists had proven politically correct global warming by means of the consistent results of repeatable, scientific method-based experiments, it remains the states have never expressly constitutionally delegated to the corrupt feds the specific power to regulate, tax and spend in the name of climate issues.
“Congress is not empowered to tax for those purposes which are within the exclusive province of the States.” —Justice John Marshall, Gibbons v. Ogden, 1824.
”From the accepted doctrine that the United States is a government of delegated powers, it follows that those not expressly granted, or reasonably to be implied from such as are conferred, are reserved to the states, or to the people. To forestall any suggestion to the contrary, the Tenth Amendment was adopted. The same proposition, otherwise stated, is that powers not granted are prohibited [emphasis added].” —United States v. Butler, 1936.
In fact, Thomas Jefferson, undoubtedly based on his experience as vice president, and also Supreme Court justices, had clarified that the feds cannot use federal power to make treaties (2.2.2) as a back door to expand the federal government’s powers.
“In giving to the President and Senate a power to make treaties, the Constitution meant only to authorize them to carry into effect, by way of treaty, any powers they might constitutionally exercise.” —Thomas Jefferson: The Anas, 1793.
“Surely the President and Senate cannot do by treaty what the whole government is interdicted from doing in any way.” — Thomas Jefferson: Parliamentary Manual, 1812 .
“2. Insofar as Art. 2(11) of the Uniform Code of Military Justice provides for the military trial of civilian dependents accompanying the armed forces in foreign countries, it cannot be sustained as legislation which is "necessary and proper" to carry out obligations of the United States under international agreements made with those countries, since no agreement with a foreign nation can confer on Congress or any other branch of the Government power which is free from the restraints of the Constitution [emphasis added] .” — Reid v. Covert, 1956.
With all due respect to Pres. Trump, patriots need to get constitutionally low-information Trump up to speed on Congress’s constitutonal Article I, Section 8-limited powers.
Drain the swamp! Drain the swamp!
Remember in November ’18 !
Since Trump entered the ’16 presidential race too late for patriots to make sure that there were state sovereignty-respecting candidates on the primary ballots, patriots need make sure that such candidates are on the ’18 primary ballots so that they can be elected to support Trump in draining the unconstitutionally big federal government swamp.
Such a Congress will also be able to finish draining the swamp with respect to getting the remaining state sovereignty-ignoring, activist Supreme Court justices off of the bench.
In fact, if Justice Gorsuch turns out to be a liberal Trojan Horse then we will need 67 patriot senators to remove a House-impeached Gorsuch from office.
Noting that the primaries start in Iowa and New Hampshire in February ‘18, patriots need to challenge candidates for federal office in the following way.
While I Googled the primary information above concerning Iowa and New Hampshire, FReeper iowamark brought to my attention that the February primaries for these states apply only to presidential election years. And after doing some more scratching, since primary dates for most states for 2018 elections probably haven’t been uploaded at this time (March 14, 2017), FReepers will need to find out primary dates from sources and / or websites in their own states.
Patriots need to qualify candidates by asking them why the Founding States made the Constitution’s Section 8 of Article I; to limit (cripple) the federal government’s powers.
Patriots also need to find candidates that are knowledgeable of the Supreme Court's clarifications of the federal government’s limited powers listed above.
He doesn’t have to bother asking—she moved to DC just so she could give it to him 24/7.
These elites pushing climate change wants YOU to suffer. They want YOU to make sacrifices and change YOUR lifestyle. In the meantime they're going to be living it up like Kings and Queens. When DiCaprio starts walking to his movie sets and gives up his yacht and private jet, then we'll talk.
Trump is something they have not dealt with since the last years of the USSR.He knows their assumptions and methods and he does not accept his assigned role. When the Estabs say "Jump," he is supposed to, at most, haggle over just how high and whether his eyes should be open or closed. Instead, he flexes his knees a couple of times, says, "maybe," then kicks their legs from under them. In the Climate fuzzle he is at "maybe."
He already knows what it is, it is a scam to fund globalism
Carbon credits are set to be a billion dollar tradkng instrument or. The financial sector desperately wants this, and they get what they want.
You know this from...?
The drive by media?
You gave the President a quiz on the Constitution and he failed it?
You saw the results of someone else's Constitution quiz that Trump took and it said he failed?
I'll bet the first one. Please don't be a fool.
Trump has been better on the Constitution than any president since Ronald Reagan.
Oh, stop. He’s not dragging anything out. The vote is next week and it’s being leaked that he’s against the accord.
Why should he tell the papers what he’s going to do? To have them hysterically denounce him for 5 days? Wake up.
In reality, withdrawing from the agreement "would be a major boost to America’s credibility and influence on the world stage." No need to identify with socialists, communists, atheists who have politicized science and warped it beyond recognition to enrich themselves.
First, thank you for your service to the country Alas Babylon!.
Next, with all due respect, and without looking, can you tell me why the Founding States made the Constitution’s Section 8 of Article I? Note that these days the only people that I wouldn’t challenge about Seciton 8 are Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, and Judge Andrew Napolitano.
From related threads …
Noting that I gladly voted for Pres. Trump and do not regret doing so, please consider the following regarding Section 8.
The reason that I question Trump’s knowledge of Congress’s Section 8-limited powers (There! I answered the question about Section 8 for you.) is because, regardless of Trump’s good intentions for the country, the states have arguably never given Congress the express Section 8 authority which Trump requires in order to fulfill some of his campaign promises.
Regardless that Trump wants to repeal and replace Obamacare for example, it remains that the states have never expressly constitutitonally delegated to the corrupt feds the specific power to regulate, tax and spend for INTRAstate healthcare purposes.
This is evidenced by the following excerpts from the writings of Thomas Jefferson and previous generations of state sovereignty-respecting Supreme Court justices.
"Our citizens have wisely formed themselves into one nation as to others and several States as among themselves. To the united nation belong our external and mutual relations; to each State, severally, the care of our persons [emphasis added], our property, our reputation and religious freedom.” —Thomas Jefferson: To Rhode Island Assembly, 1801.
“Congress is not empowered to tax for those purposes which are within the exclusive province of the States.” Justice John Marshall, Gibbons v. Ogden, 1824.
"State inspection laws, health laws, and laws for regulating the internal commerce of a State, and those which respect turnpike roads, ferries, &c. are not within the power granted to Congress [emphases added]." —Gibbons v. Ogden, 1824.
”From the accepted doctrine that the United States is a government of delegated powers, it follows that those not expressly granted, or reasonably to be implied from such as are conferred, are reserved to the states, or to the people. To forestall any suggestion to the contrary, the Tenth Amendment was adopted. The same proposition, otherwise stated, is that powers not granted are prohibited [emphasis added].” —United States v. Butler, 1936.
The excerpts above indicate that lawless Obama’s state sovereignty-ignoring activist justices wrongly ignored not only Congress’s Section 8-limited powers, but also clarifications of those limited powers by previous generations of state sovererignty-respecting Supreme Court justices, when Obama’s puppet justices declared Obamacare to be constitutional.
In other words, in order to implement Trumpcare, Trump needs to either work with corrupt Congress to get all healthcare-related regulations that the feds cannot justify under the Gibbons interpretation of the Commerce Clause (1.8.3) above out of the books, such regulations arguably helping to raise the cost of healthcare …
Or if Trumpcare needs new constitutional powers, then Trump needs to work with the Congress and the states to ratify a Trumpcare amendment to the Constituton.
But we’ve heard little if anything about Congress’s Section 8-limited powers from Pres. Trump.
And patriots are warned that if they do not get Trump up to speed with the fed’s constitutionally limited powers, and support Trump in peacefully “forcing” the feds to surrender state powers that the feds have stolen from the states back to the states, then it’s only a matter of time before another lawless POTUS works in cahoots with corrupt Congress to use stolen state powers to once again oppress the states and their citizens.
Well, I think that’s VERY unfair to ask ME about Article 1 Section 8 without looking.
I can memorize anything, but I did not memorize the Constitution, as I carry it with me (I swore an oath—I still live by—to protect it against all enemies, foreign and domestic).
Having said that I’ll take a peek at the words and comment on them.
OK, having peeked, I believe these are the about the powers the Congress of the United States has—not the judiciary or the executive branches, to wit the Courts and the President.
Your point probably involves how those powers are not the powers of the President, but how the whole Congress, either and somehow, over the years, let the president and the judiciary take them or seceded them along.
And I do see your point, but I do not think Trump is illiterate or stupid as some people think, but good God, man! He can read, just like me!
It is LAWYERS who have made a travesty of the plain words of the Constitution. 200 years of slippery, slimey, byzantine-complex, lawyerly, Jesuit-level thinking has convoluted these plain words awfully.
In a world where umbras and woulda/coulda/shouldas actually rule, we’re a mess. YET-—We have now elected someone who could do something, yet he’s attacked by all sides.
I don’t have an answer, but Trump isn’t an ignorant oaf. And there yet remains thousands of famous and so-called minds, even Harvard Law Review editors-in-chiefs for goodness sakes, who look at the words of the Constitution, maybe even know them by heart, but understand them less than Trump.
We call those people democrats.
...thousands of famous and so-called minds...
Read that as ...thousands of so-called famous minds...
I agree. Trump is by no means stupid. He is blessed with uncommon common sense.
However …
Based on his not ever mentioning Congress’s Section 8-limited powers (corrections welcome), Trump, like most other US citizens, has probably never been taught about the fed’s Section 8 powers, at least not to the extent that he thought to ask his advisors and nominees if they respect those limited powers when he interviewed them imo.
What I see is that once low-information politicians, including constitutionally low-information, non-politician Trump, get elected to office, although they quickly get themselves up to speed with the pecking order in DC, they probably remain oblivious that the pecking order is based largely on stolen state powers where domestic issues are concerned.
So until Trump actually reads Section 8, Judge Andrew Napolitano easily reading Section 8 in under three minutes, I’m afraid that constitutionally low-information Trump will continue to be “assimilated” by the Borg (Star Trek) Congress.
“Wrong way Riegels,” is another good analogy imo.
Roy Riegels wrong way run in the Rose Bowl
Hopefully patriots will drain the congressional swamp for Trump with their voting power in ’18, something that one person cannot do alone regardless if president.
"It is LAWYERS who have made a travesty of the plain words of the Constitution. 200 years of slippery, slimey, byzantine-complex, lawyerly, Jesuit-level thinking has convoluted these plain words awfully."
Thomas Jefferson and James Madison warned patriots to be on their guard against the feds unconstitutionaly expanding their powers in subtle ways, patriots abysmally failing to do so after almost 241 years imo, evidenced by the size of the unconstitutionally big federal government.
”I believe there are more instances of the abridgement of freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments by those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations.” —James Madison, Speech at the Virginia Convention to ratify the Federal Constitution (1788-06-06)
”To take a single step beyond the boundaries thus specially drawn around the powers of Congress, is to take possession of a boundless field of power, no longer susceptible of any definition.” —Thomas Jefferson, Jefferson's Opinion on the Constitutionality of a National Bank : 1791
”The system of the General Government is to seize all doubtful ground. We must join in the scramble, or get nothing. Where first occupancy is to give right, he who lies still loses all.” —Thomas Jefferson to James Monroe, 1797.
In fact, note that Thomas Jefferson went from an “all men are created equal” in the Declaration of Independence, to warning against apathy with respect to public affairs in the late 18th century.
“Cherish, therefore, the spirit of our people, and keep alive their attention. If once they become inattentive to the public affairs, you and I, and Congress and Assemblies, judges and governors, shall all become wolves. It seems to be the law of our general nature.” - Thomas Jefferson (Letter to Edward Carrington January 16, 1787)
The ill-conceived 17th Amendment, the state legislatures foolishly giving up the voices of the state legislatures in Congress when they ratified that amendment, has helped the wolves to devour the constitutional republic imo.
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