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Alabama moves to protect Confederate monuments
thehill.com ^ | 5/26/2017 | Reid Wilson

Posted on 05/27/2017 6:06:35 AM PDT by rktman

Alabama Gov. Kay Ivey (R) this week signed legislation that will preempt cities and counties from removing monuments to the Confederacy from public property, over the objections of black lawmakers and civil rights groups.

The legislation comes after the city of New Orleans removed several statues honoring Confederate figures in recent weeks. The measure’s lead sponsor, state Sen. Gerald Allen (R), said he hoped to end the “wave of political correctness” sweeping the nation.

“Where does it end? Are all parts of American history subject to purging, until every Ivy League professor is satisfied and the American story has been re-written as nothing but a complete fraud and a betrayal of our founding values of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness?” Allen said.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Philosophy; US: Alabama
KEYWORDS: confederacy; dixie; hertagenothate
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To: MUDDOG

A people who wanted to be free in one way, but were suffering from an Achilles’ heel before God. Freedom must be shared to be freedom and not to decay into self proud elitism.

By all means let’s remember, not just what the South wanted, but what happened.

At some point, may the good Lord grant it, we may all look back at history — the bad, the good, and the ugly — and understand many of its lessons.


41 posted on 05/27/2017 8:42:24 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: safeasthebanks

I respond for the sake of the others even if you go la-la-la with your fingers in your ears.

Even the worst of the South isn’t like ole Supreme Leader Kim, just for starters. You are getting overwrought.


42 posted on 05/27/2017 8:44:09 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: Republican Wildcat

Excellent post. One of the reason’s I call the southern rebellion the Anti-American revolution is because they were repudiating the “all men are created equal” ideal in the declaration of independence. True the United States did not live up to this high ideal, but most of the founding fathers understood that slavery was incompatible with this concept. Thomas Jefferson went so far as to call slavery “a hideous blot” on our country. Our founding fathers were so embarrassed by it that they wouldn’t even use the word slavery in the constitution.

Now look at the confederate constitution. It uses the word slavery many times, and proudly. Alexander Stephens even stated that slavery was the cornerstone that the confederacy rested on. The confederacy proudly rejected the American Revolution’s “all men are created equal” and proclaimed that some men are meant to rule over other men.


43 posted on 05/27/2017 9:09:22 AM PDT by OIFVeteran
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To: Bonemaker

The democrats were NEVER the good guys.


44 posted on 05/27/2017 10:13:48 AM PDT by Phillyred
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To: rktman

I don’t give a damn about any of these supposed “causes” of the Civil War. Though I would never have “owned” a slave.

It’s like some yankee asked a rebel why he’d been fighting and he replied, “Cause ya’ll’s down here”.

Damned feral gummint!

Had I not been in the South when the shooting started, I’d sure enough have headed there.


45 posted on 05/27/2017 10:54:05 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: rktman
Hmmm, how would liberals react if the remaining Japanese internment camps were demolished?

Or, let's have the UN order camps such as Dachau and Auschwitz be dismantled.

46 posted on 05/27/2017 11:01:24 AM PDT by Night Hides Not (Remember the Alamo! Remember Goliad! Remember Gonzales! Come and Take It!)
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To: rktman

There is no proof the Civil War ever occurred.


47 posted on 05/27/2017 11:19:38 AM PDT by kaehurowing
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To: Sivad
Well said.

Today's propaganda machine kind of has things twisted.

48 posted on 05/27/2017 11:33:04 AM PDT by Bogie
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To: taterjay

Yeah, well, they no nothing or even care about American history.


49 posted on 05/27/2017 11:36:40 AM PDT by Bogie
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To: Phillyred

Why is Harriet Tubman’s house un burned?


50 posted on 05/27/2017 11:40:20 AM PDT by bert (K.E.; N.P.; GOPc;WASP .... Hillary is Ameritrash, pass it on)
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To: Republican Wildcat

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copperhead_(politics)


51 posted on 05/27/2017 11:41:18 AM PDT by Bogie
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Grant actually admired Lee, very much.


52 posted on 05/27/2017 11:46:35 AM PDT by Bogie
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Seems safeasthebanks is being absurd.


53 posted on 05/27/2017 11:51:32 AM PDT by Bogie
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To: kaehurowing

No proof that slavery ever occurred.


54 posted on 05/27/2017 12:00:52 PM PDT by rktman (Enlisted in the Navy in '67 to protect folks rights to strip my rights. WTH?!)
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To: Republican Wildcat

“...[T]he fact of the matter is that slavery and white supremacy was indeed the primary basis of the Confederacy. This is an irrefutable fact....”

The “irrefutable fact” is that there was NO THREAT to slavery. At the start of the war, it was protected by SCOTUS, exactly as abortion is today. And just as is the case today with abortion, under ‘normal’ circumstances, that could only be changed by either SCOTUS reversing itself or amending the constitution.

The irony is that nothing short of a constitutional crisis would have given Lincoln the premise he needed for ending slavery, which is exactly what the secessions did.

Since there was NO THREAT to slavery, then neither could their secessions have been motivated by their determination to preserve it.

For Lincoln, the slavery issue was only ever a propaganda tool. His primary interest was in preventing the loss of such an important segment of the national economy.

“My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that.” -A. Lincoln, 1862

The country tore itself apart in 1860 for the same reason it’s doing so today. It’s the same argument that started between Hamilton and Jefferson, Federalism versus Republicanism, and which probably lost its last best chance for a lasting resolution at Appomattox Courthouse.


55 posted on 05/27/2017 12:07:10 PM PDT by Paal Gulli
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To: Paal Gulli
His primary interest was in preventing the loss of such an important segment of the national economy preserving the union.

Fixed it.

The country tore itself apart in 1860 for the same reason it’s doing so today.

I agree. Democrats, angry that they lost an election, had a hissy fit and threatened to tear the country apart. Only in the case of southern democrats of 1860 they almost succeeded.

56 posted on 05/27/2017 12:50:47 PM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: rktman

Certainly there is no evidence in Louisiana.


57 posted on 05/27/2017 3:53:40 PM PDT by kaehurowing
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To: Republican Wildcat

Nice refutation of an argument I didn’t make.


58 posted on 05/27/2017 10:17:36 PM PDT by Sivad (NorCal red turf)
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