Posted on 05/27/2017 6:06:35 AM PDT by rktman
Alabama Gov. Kay Ivey (R) this week signed legislation that will preempt cities and counties from removing monuments to the Confederacy from public property, over the objections of black lawmakers and civil rights groups.
The legislation comes after the city of New Orleans removed several statues honoring Confederate figures in recent weeks. The measure’s lead sponsor, state Sen. Gerald Allen (R), said he hoped to end the “wave of political correctness” sweeping the nation.
“Where does it end? Are all parts of American history subject to purging, until every Ivy League professor is satisfied and the American story has been re-written as nothing but a complete fraud and a betrayal of our founding values of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness?” Allen said.
Because they have no balls? I would like to see every street sign and statue of Ceaser Chavez destroyed. It offends me.
As long as Repub lawmakers make it clear these historical relics are the history of the Democrat Party. That demos want to remove them to purge their dark history. No let’s keep them as a reminder of what Democrats have done and do.
Good question. Maybe part of the answer lies in the evolution
of the concept of states rights within the Republican Party.
Maybe it has something to do with historic truth in that
not all Confederates fought to preserve slavery. Some fought
because their land was being invaded by outsiders.
I don’t have too much of a dog in this fight although my
gggrandfather was a captain and company commander in the
Union affiliated Missouri Home Guard of Stone County. He
was murdered by a group of Southern sympathizing neighbors
who all seemed to owe him money through his hardware
store business.
Anyway, as a student of history I detest the destruction
of historic items and implements just because they hurt
the feelings of some. If you bury all the unpleasant
aspects of history how are you going to recognize bad stuff
when it comes around again?
I am a Westerner. But, if I was a Southern entrepreneur
and could see that preserving Southern Civil War
monuments in place is a lost cause, I would attempt to
secure ownership of all of them that I could get my
hands on. I would put them in a private park open to
the public and see that the accurate history of each
symbol is attached.
America is searching for its soul.
The lure of the rebel yell is hard to resist, I guess.
There’s something unique in the defiance that is American, even though sometimes it’s wrongly focused.
God would have us “hate evil” not merely rebel for rebellion’s sake.
The Confederates and Union both believed they were right in some absolute sense. The Union had the superior power and brought the country back into a physical whole, but the rebel yell has never quite been quashed.
Can some good be found even in the mistaken quests of mankind? That we can learn some lessons about freedom and what a wild thing it can be, and learn how to do it better so that we aren’t needlessly fighting one another?
I was gonna say these idiots are just like ISIS.
For Southern rights hurrah!
Democrats had some virtues, some vices, from the word go.
They labored under the special moral onus of being largely for the s-word: slavery. They thought they HAD slaves, but were ignorant that this made them INTO slaves. What you consider fair to do to another man, becomes fair to do unto you too. The golden rule, or what goes around comes around.
Today, when we remember Dixie, we generally do it with images of what a free Dixie would look like. Gone are the slaves. If we were brutally honest about antebellum Dixie, we’d be dismayed in many cases about what went on.
I believe there is still the potential of hope for America, but it has to be found in a wholesale re-embrace of the goodness of the Lord. It won’t be found in any politician, even one as stellar as Donald Trump.
Monuments honoring fallen soldiers are fine - many of whom were drafted. Honoring the Confederacy itself and the false mythology surrounding it is not history, however - it is revisionist history based on mythology that the former Confederate politicians cooked up to save face after they lost - the fact of the matter is that slavery and white supremacy was indeed the primary basis of the Confederacy. This is an irrefutable fact. Virtually all of the resolutions of secession by the states make this abundantly clear as well as what has come to be known as the “Cornerstone Speech” wherein white supremacy and slavery were made known to be the foundation of the Confederacy. Look at the lobbying effort of the maker of the second Confederate national flag - which he was successful in getting them to adopt - he said it was made symbolize white supremacy. There’s no room for argument. All of this garbage about “states rights” “freedom”, etc. being the basis for it and not slavery is the revisionist history that came after they lost to create this Confederate mythology that unfortunately many believe today. But if you look to what was said when they were seceding and when the war was underway, it paints a much clearer picture.
Northern politicians did indeed take advantage of the situation and used it to take advantage of the South (and elsewhere) afterward when it was at a point of weakness and make the national government more powerful - there’s no disputing this either (which gives rise to a legitimate states rights discussion) - but that doesn’t change what the basis was for Confederate ideology when they formed the entity. The “history” of some of these monuments was never true.
However, the many monuments simply honoring fallen veterans these people are also trying to remove - and that
is indeed erasing history and that is not something that should be done.
Watch "Hillary's America" and get a dose of reality.
Wars often involve moral muddles.
I believe God let the South lose in part because it had become so arrogant it forgot that it was unseemly before Christ, which almost all nominally worshiped, to treat men as slaves. Freedom doesn’t want to be hogged to an elite. It wants to embrace all it meets, or it is arrogance and not freedom at all.
What would a Dixie that was bent by heaven on “picking its own blessed cotton” have been like? It would have proceeded without at least one major curse it had. But we didn’t have that. We had a sinful Dixie that had to learn through suffering. And we still have sin that is bringing suffering upon America. Will we embrace Christ to deliver? My prayer is that God will so provide that the answer will be yes.
We didn’t have a simon-pure North either. Nobody is wearing a perfect halo. But the South was, relatively speaking, worse than the North. Now we’re suffering from the heritage of Northern social liberal idealism — that looks for perfection apart from Christ but can only rearrange the mire in the pit.
History teaches complex lessons. Only the reverence of God can give them the focus they deserve.
“Why are Republicans protecting democrat monuments and flags?”
Excellent point.
Because even before they were Democrat, they were part of America, even an America that split.
What can we learn from the spotted successes of America? Can we perceive the purifying, chastening hand of the Lord who lets us dance with the devils we demanded adamantly enough, until we finally get tired of it?
“Because even before they were Democrat, they were part of America”
Yeah. A really bad part.
I can’t believe I’m wasting my time with this, but....Was the US wrong to pull down that statue of Saddam Hussein in Baghdad?
If only it were to preserve them so they could be used against the RATs. That's probably why the RATs are trying to get rid of them.
It certainly took them long enough.
Saddam was forced, a perpetual rebel, into hiding. General Grant and General Lee were able to come to a truce because it is what Abraham Lincoln wanted and what General Lee was willing to do.
When we see statues of General Lee, we should think of Abraham Lincoln and his magnanimity after victory.
AFTER THE CONFEDERATES, WHO’S NEXT IN AN AMERICA GONE MAD? YOU AND YOUR FOLKS? Some history!!
http://www.ini-world-report.org/2017/05/27/after-the-confederates-whos-next/
Fergit hay’l!
And that ought to be a caution for us not to cheerfully accede to this. The South did rebel, for certain reasons, and incurred certain consequences, some painful and some consoling.
Let the monuments stand. It’s a jolly sight better than what the USSR did, which was to cover up every fresh bungle.
“General Grant and General Lee were able to come to a truce...”
Yeah, “a truce”, just like North and South Korea, right? Sheeesh. Please don’t bother responding. I’m done with this and won’t be reading it.
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