Posted on 05/03/2017 10:37:54 PM PDT by vannrox
With all the posturing between the Trump people promoting the latest budget agreement as a “win”, and the Fake News, and their Democrat minions saying that the budget was in the benefit of Democrats. I still feel betrayed. I do. This is not what was promised. After listening to El Rushbo, perhaps I have misread what is actually going on here. So as an exercise in sanity, I decided to compare the promises of both Trump and Clinton with the latest budget agreement. Here are my results. I think it goes a long way to describe just who benefits from the latest budget agreement. TRUMP -The Passed Budget- HILLARY CLINTON Build a wall on the Mexico border. No wall at all, but will increase funding for Immigration staff No wall at all, but will increase funding for Immigration staff Defund Sanctuary Cities Fully fund Sanctuary Cities Fully fund Sanctuary Cities Stop H1-B VISA abuse Expand the number of H1-B VISAS Expand the number of H1-B VISAS Expand our military Expand our military Expand our military Get rid of ObamaCARE Expand ObamaCARE Expand ObamaCARE Stop outreach effort funding Continue to give moneys to African nations for outreach Continue to give moneys to African nations for outreach Reduce UN funding Increase UN funding Increase UN funding Stop flood of Refugees Increase number of refugees Increase number of refugees Stop Climate Change studies Increase funding to study climate change Increase funding to study climate change Do not bail out Puerto Rico Bail out Puerto Rico Bail out Puerto Rico Invest in American industries Increase taxes on American Industries Increase taxes on American Industries Do not fund CA High-speed rail Fund CA High-speed Rail Fund CA High-speed Rail Stop funding BLM Outreach to BLM Outreach to BLM Stop Islamic expansion in our schools Fund Islamic education initiatives Fund Islamic education initiatives Increase infrastructure investment Divert money from infrastructure investment to educational unions Divert money from infrastructure investment to educational unions I am still with Trump, but I am not going to call this budget deal something it is not. This budget deal is an expansion of the Obama policies, and the presence of it indicates just what would have happened if Hillary Clinton came to office. It is no wonder the progressive socialists are all happy. This is a Hillary Clinton budget. It is NOT a Donald Trump budget. Not what he promised us anyways…A comparison between the latest budget and the proposed budgets of Clinton and Trump
You know, the big praises that are being heaped on this budget is that the military is being expanded. So what? It was going to expand under Hillary Clinton anyways. Why make this a big deal?
Just curious. Can Trump decline to spend on a budget item?
They’re finishing up a cobbled up Obama budget that was never passed by congress, hence was done by CR. This particular CR is only for a 5 month period to finish out the 2017 FY.
The true test for Trump will be the FY 2018 budget which he will own in its entirety. I suggest we withhold judgment until that process runs it’s course. I expect there will be many battles to be fought, and if Trump truly has the balls to drain the swamp, he will be prepared to use his political capital to go after Individual members of Congress. He must be prepared to challenge GOP incumbents in the 2018 elections if that’s what it takes to push his agenda.
The official GOP motto: next time!
You said it.
Still, the next budget battle won’t be quite as difficult, since if I’m reading this correctly the next budget has a requirement of 50+VP and not 60.
Also, maybe the cucks in the Senate will have let more of the Don’s people take office by then.
And the nuclear nut in NK will either shut up or be neutralized in some way or another, so we don’t have that as a distraction and danger.
After Nixon impounded funds, Congress passed the Impoundment Act. The President can request a rescission of funds. congress very rarely approves these. So the answer is no, the President must make the funds available for obligation.
Ditto
I am still with Trump.
Make no mistake. But, you have to call things as they really are. And you cannot pretend otherwise. That is where the Hillary crowd is failing.
I am not so opposed to the budget agreement as I am as the GOP promotion of this budget as a Trump success. It just isn’t.
In other words don’t piss on my legs and tell me it is raining.
Yeah I am still with Trump. But what I don’t understand is why POSTPONE the fight? Deal with it head-on and right now. If you don’t like this budget because it goes in a totally opposite direction to what you were elected for...then why support it? What benefit does it buy you?
That is the question that I must ask.
What benefit does signing this budget provide those of us whom voted for Trump?
Trump got less than half the money he wanted for the budget, and he got money for the border where Schumer and Pelosi said he can’t spend it on his wall (that poor excuse of a wall shown by Spicer is not what we voted for).
Lindsey Graham of all people said the Democrats “cleaned our clocks,” and HE didn’t know if he’d vote for it. This thing was a disaster, and the White House should quit trying to spin it any other way.
Republicans are always afraid of negative media headlines in the NYT/WaPo/Alphabet Nets and don’t want the Democrats to hate them, so they cave. They want to make it look like they can govern, so they give the Democrats every thing they want. That’s not what we voted for. If we wanted Democrats, we’d vote for them.
I expect better in September. If they capitulate in September, then we’re screwed.
The GOP and Trump will fight like lions in the future!
They will cave again in September. It’s what they do.
There are lots of dirty Politics/power Struggles baked in. Trump got what his team could get. Now Congress is cleared 4 Health Care bill. The CR made the AHCA possible, with big tax/spending $$ upside. Also allows for Tax Reform to move fwd. Come Sept. there will be no compromise w/Dems. 2018 budget gets done with Dems; w/o through Reconciliation; or Govt shutdown high-noon-showdown
This has not been signed yet. They just wanted to continue the continued spending resolution and not shut down the Feds. Oh well....lets see what happens after TrumpCare passes. Then we will see the real deal.
Then there is no point in bothering to vote for them if they do.
If a democrat had gotten into the White House, the republican Congress would have acted out some kind of pretense to show voters they opposed the democrats. Now they don’t even bother with pretense.
I wouldn't hold Trump responsible for this, but hearing Mike Pence on Rush Limbaugh's show the other day trying to spin this as a Republican victory might have been the most pathetic thing I've heard in years.
Clinton would not have been able to put her budget thru until FY 2018 (Sep 2017) either. You cannot compare Clinton or Trump (ok maybe Clinton) to Zero’s FY 2017 (Sep 2016) budget, which is getting additional funding.
Here’s the 2018 proposed budget blueprint (with my own fast and furious notes) that we will get started on in a month or two whipping our congresscritters to get this done. It’s not everything but it’s a running start:
https://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/whitehouse.gov/files/omb/budget/fy2018/2018_blueprint.pdf
1. Agri - 21% cut - supports WIC, reduce Fed land acq. fully fund wildfire supp. Reduce/refocus/streamline staff
2. Commerce - 16% cut - consolidates replicating offices; eliminates EDA, MBDA, MEP, NOAA grants; supports NWS,NTIA
3. DoD -10% bonus - repeals defense sequestration
4. DoEd - 13% cut - supports charter schools/IDEA programs; consolidates/eliminates underperforming programs
5. DoEnergy - 5% cut - supports Yucca Mtn; grid security
6. HHS - 18% cut - target welfare fraud; eliminate duplicative programs and grants
7. DHS - 7% bonus - THE WALL - infrastructure security, fair NFIP funding, FEMA funding from states; refocus TSA to passenger safety (lots of stuff here)
8. HUD - 13% cut - nonperforming loan programs cut
9. DoIn - 12% cut - supports Park Svc infrastructure and USGS Landsat; limits land acquisition; end duplicative programs
10. DoJ - 4% cut - supports FBI and local police, target crime/drug traffickers; faster firearm background checks; more deportation hires
11. DoLabor - 21% cut - focus on Fair Trade agreements; elimination of nonperforming grant programs or shift cost to states
12. DoState - 28% cut - Eliminates Global Climate Change Initiative, program payments, funding to the UN; refocuses humanitarian assistance; shifts military aid grants to loans; reduce World Bank funding; supports Israel, and supports vaccine/hiv/aids, etc programs
13. DoT - 13% cut - FAA privatization; cuts Amtrak/EAS/TIGER subsidies
14. Treasury - 4% cut - digitize IRS, IRS cybersecurity; cut CDFI
15. Veterans - 6% bonus - increase programs - Veterans Choice
16. EPA - 31% cut - ends anything climate change including CPA; ends funding for certain regional projects - states to fund their own local efforts and programs
17. NASA - 0.8% cut - Asteroid redirect program cut; deep space, Mars, Europa gain; eliminates ‘office of education’
18. SBA - 5% cut - eliminates PRIME and other grants that can be private or locally funded; supports SBA outreach and disaster relief
Steady on!
This budget with notes is something that I can really appreciate. We need to know of this and focus on this.
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