Events rather than groupthink are now in the saddle.
Whether intended as support or not, I thank you for your comments.
Posted on 05/02/2017 5:46:04 AM PDT by chiller
Unfortunately Ryan is friends with Rinse, so Trump won't get good advice on getting rid of Ryan and his deputies.
The reason it matters that this is the last quarter of a previous budget is because if Trump fights hard on this he would be bogged down in the battle up to his eyeballs when it is actually time to begin work on the budget for the next fiscal year. The budget for the next actual fiscal year is far, far more important than this budget for the last quarter of the last fiscal year. Contracts are already in place that end at the end of the fiscal year in September. It would create chaos to take money from those contracts in place. It is also really hard to do new projects when you only have one quarter to work with as well. Contractors interested in doing the work on the wall would not be so interested in gearing up for such a large project for a short term contract. The logistics would be a nightmare for 3 month projects.
It is a plus that he managed to get an increase in military budget and border security budget in this short term budget. To fund or de-fund major things for this last qtr. budget without full support would just result in a fight that would carry over right into the budget for the next fiscal year.
“The moment he kept Paul Ryan was the beginning of the end.”
I can’t stand that pompous, arrogant, sorry excuse for a man either. He is a pandering “go along to get along” kind of guy...and besides that he’s ugly...the grown up version of Little Eddie Munster. His ego is too large even to fit into the capital offices.
However, I can understand that he may have done it to continue continuity of the House until he was brought up to speed in office...then make efforts to get rid of him.
On the other-hand, with Trump new to the “routine” in Congress, he was given some very bad advice and did not let the members elect a new Speaker.
Sargon, why do you (and others) have this knee-jerk response that anyone criticizing Trump must be part of some NeverTrump crowd? Does that really help? Do you not allow or realize that we are not all a bunch of Yes people and that that won’t help anyone to simply be Yes people. Did you drink the Kool-Aid, buy enough Vaseline, to stand fast. Er, bend over and take whatever occurs with a smile?
He could have had them elect a new speaker ?? what ???
I critique the substance. If someone claims that they are giving up on Trump because he has given in on the wall, they have to provide some evidence that the wall is excluded in this proposal. Nobody has done that so far. There might be a provision in this document that excludes the wall, but it needs to be shown to justify this particular criticism.
The establishment is trying to make him a lame duck, why do you not have a problem with the establishment ,but seem to have a problem with the President?
Events rather than groupthink are now in the saddle.
Whether intended as support or not, I thank you for your comments.
You do not know whether he would in fact lose a veto fight but we both know it is his duty to try. If he were to lose a veto fight and two thirds of the Senate overrode his veto, it would occur only because a coalition formed of Democrats and rinos.
This coalition, joined by Trump, is a danger to the Republic and it is something I have predicted for some months. My assumption is that Trump is already governing with that coalition to avoid any fight over the veto. My contention is that if he puts up a fight, if he goes to the people, if he lets the government shutdown, he actually has a good chance of winning, he only needs a third of the Senate, and in any event he will have spared his presidency being discredited, even humiliated.
Obviously I disagree with you about the seriousness of this betrayal of virtually every campaign promise he made.
Precisely. Veto it and insist on the $30 billion for the military. Make the Dems and Rinos override it and only "give" the $16 billion.
Well then. There is only recourse for you.
Join forces with Mad Maxine and call for Trump to resign.
We don’t want him to resign. We want him to exercise the veto. Stop with the hyperbole.
Maybe you think of him that way, but I'll bet many of his supporters do not. He's not a conservative. He's a populist, and much of what passes for populism in the U.S. today is socialism at its core.
LOL! Don't flatter yourself. I simply respond to your anti-Trump tripe when I happen to encounter it in its more egregious forms. For example:
"Had enough losing yet?"
You posed that question a few days ago, and with those four words, you perfectly exposed yourself—your bias, your attitude, your intent, your heart—with respect to all things Trump.
Anti-Trump antagonism is what you indulge in. It's what you live for. However, eloquence and snot-nosed negativity don't mix very well around here.
In your heart, you've always been a #NeverTrumper. Your gratuitous insults towards President Trump—such as the inflammatory question you sarcastically posed—establish that beyond any reasonable doubt.
But only in my humble opinion, of course...
You want him to exercise the veto. I get that.
Only to watch him get a political beatdown by Democrats AND Republicans which will further erode his gravitas in DC.
No, the failures he faced with TrumpCare weren’t bad enough - you want to see him further kicked to the curb and watch the MSM would boast and brag on his veto failure.
Is that correct?
No it’s not correct. I want him to actually win, not just talk about winning. You seem to equate Media is congress approval as winning. I don’t. Do you by chance know what both Congress and the media’s approval numbers are? Beat them both! That’s winning.
“...”President Trump will be presenting his own budget come September. That’s when a shutdown might be contemplated....”
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Congress needs to be passing appropriation bills for FY 2018 BEFORE October 1, 2017. Any spending not in one of these appropriations will require another continuing resolution. Is THAT continuing resolution the one.that TRUMP WILL VETO (resulting in a “government shutdown”) if it doesn’t include authorization to spend money to build the wall? Is THAT when the battle will be joined? Promise us that!
I just call them as I see them. When I see an ongoing pattern, I make note of it. A pattern I don't see is one of trust, loyalty, or even routine fairness from some sources.
I've disagreed vehemently with this President on several issues thus far, but I try to maintain a sense of perspective, and not act like every setback is some kind of profound betrayal, worthy only of endless second-guessing.
As I've said before, this President has earned my trust and loyalty, and has shown that his political instincts are quite superb, given what he has been able to accomplish against all odds, both during the election cycle and since.
I trust nobody in this government more than President Trump; therefore I will continue to give him the benefit of the doubt—because he has earned it, by any reasonable criteria.
If others prefer to be "fair weather" friends to this President, that is their prerogative. I simply believe that such attitudes—especially as a default—are counterproductive, and, indeed, aid and abet the Enemy...
Thank you kindly for the reply. I more or less got my terms mixed up as I knew the selective editing of Bills still occurs.
That being said.. Can Trump simply sign it but attach a signing statement striking down the undesirable parts?
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