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America's spies anonymously took down Michael Flynn. That is deeply worrying (Lib somewhat honest)
The Week ^ | Damon Linker

Posted on 02/14/2017 5:40:15 PM PST by Bigtigermike

The United States is much better off without Michael Flynn serving as national security adviser. But no one should be cheering the way he was brought down.

The whole episode is evidence of the precipitous and ongoing collapse of America's democratic institutions — not a sign of their resiliency. Flynn's ouster was a soft coup (or political assassination) engineered by anonymous intelligence community bureaucrats. The results might be salutary, but this isn't the way a liberal democracy is supposed to function.

Unelected intelligence analysts work for the president, not the other way around. Far too many Trump critics appear not to care that these intelligence agents leaked highly sensitive information to the press — mostly because Trump critics are pleased with the result.

"Finally," they say, "someone took a stand to expose collusion between the Russians and a senior aide to the president!" It is indeed important that someone took such a stand. But it matters greatly who that someone is and how they take their stand. Members of the unelected, unaccountable intelligence community are not the right someone, especially when they target a senior aide to the president by leaking anonymously to newspapers the content of classified phone intercepts, where the unverified, unsubstantiated information can inflict politically fatal damage almost instantaneously.

But no matter what Flynn did, it is simply not the role of the deep state to target a man working in one of the political branches of the government by dishing to reporters about information it has gathered clandestinely. It is the role of elected members of Congress to conduct public investigations of alleged wrongdoing by public officials.

Those cheering the deep state torpedoing of Flynn are saying, in effect, that a police state is perfectly fine so long as it helps to bring down Trump.

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TOPICS: Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: corruption; deepsecrets; deepstate; democrats; flynn; intelleaks; intelligence; leaks; liberals; resignation; secretgovernment; shadowgovernment; spies; trump; trumpadmleaks
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To: Lazamataz

Laz, I believe the word to describe what American government has become is “Byzantine.”


61 posted on 02/14/2017 7:44:27 PM PST by henkster
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To: Bigtigermike

I remember reading somewhere that the CIA was never to operate on US soil. Leaking information to take a government official down like this should get the intelligence community an immediate flush down the drain. They work for the president. The information they gather is for the president’s consideration only. If they can’t understand this, they need to go. Perhaps a new use for gitmo?


62 posted on 02/14/2017 7:48:41 PM PST by Waryone (2 Chronicles 7:14; praise God for His great mercy!)
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To: JPX2011

Fed employees swear an oath to defend the Constitution, not the Prez, or a congressman, or their boss. Big difference from the private sector.

We’re a nation of laws, and nobody is above the law, even if they have good intentions. Anybody making back channel deals with the Russkies should get fired or prosecuted, pronto.


63 posted on 02/14/2017 7:50:49 PM PST by LPBeria1899
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To: WENDLE

I have no clue. Bad indeed. There are few week we as loyal as Flynn. He should not have sided with the VP. Pence is a slimey politician and Trump is foolish to trust him


64 posted on 02/14/2017 8:00:09 PM PST by wiseprince
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To: boxlunch

That is one of the evil CIA guys on Homeland. He is a Muslim from some Arab country and he works closely with a Jew whose sister lives on the West Bank. (Of course he is really a Jewish actor playing a Muslim.)


65 posted on 02/14/2017 8:03:15 PM PST by Yaelle
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To: Texas Fossil

No. Poppy Bush may have had more of a sheen of respectability than the Clintons, but he was NOT. He was an enemy of the people of the United States.


66 posted on 02/14/2017 8:05:03 PM PST by Yaelle
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To: JPX2011

If everyone knows that Trump does not like to be lied to ans will fire anyone that does, I guess the deep state has the blueprint of how to rid Trump of the people around him, doesn’t it?


67 posted on 02/14/2017 8:06:29 PM PST by GeaugaRepublican (Groups compete. Immigration and Trade to save the country.)
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To: JPX2011

I agree. “Too many people like you are focusing on second-order BS issues like ‘blood in the water and media sharks are circling’”. There are numerous patriotic Americans who understand the threat of Islamic jihad like Flynn and Flynn’s departure is business as usual. Reagan had brilliant assistants coming and going. The Lord is in charge and is ready to help those who are sincere when placing their hands on the Bible.


68 posted on 02/14/2017 8:30:27 PM PST by Falconspeed ("Keep your fears to yourself, but share your courage with others." Robert Louis Stevenson (1850-94))
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To: GOPe Means Bend Over Spell Run
Starting to smell like Yates thought Trump wouldn’t fire her leftist ass over refusing to defend the refugee ban because of the this Flynn transcript.

Yes, Yates, Rhodes, Jarrett and the guy in the neighborhood, Obama. All orchestrated through the community organizer in chief who thinks he is the shadow government along with all his embedded cronies in the various bureaucracies. We're witnessing Alinsky 101 on steroids. Who's next and where does it end?

So, how to deal with Obama and his shadow government? Is he a domestic enemy undermining the President? FBI investigation of Organizing for America?

70 posted on 02/14/2017 8:49:55 PM PST by Art in Idaho (Conservatism is the only Hope for Western Civilization.)
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To: dp0622
Lying to the VP is a bad habit.

Sadly, Trump had to make an example of Flynn. He can't afford to tolerate dishonesty in his staff.

71 posted on 02/14/2017 9:08:23 PM PST by AZLiberty (A is now A once again.)
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To: darkwing104

I think the thing to do is to disband all of those agencies, and fire all of them. Then rebuild and reorg.


72 posted on 02/14/2017 9:20:46 PM PST by virgil (The evil that men do lives after them.)
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To: kiltie65

From where did Flynn make this call?


73 posted on 02/14/2017 9:22:22 PM PST by virgil (The evil that men do lives after them.)
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To: Bigtigermike
Agree. I don't totally agree with his full opinion of Micheal Flynn. But Mr. linker he called down the thunder on the method used and the terrible danger.

The ones doing the cheers will be the ones shedding the tears if this method that is being used now is not stopped.

It is a method that can be used by anyone person or any hundreds, anytime from anywhere.

It can come from any malcontent in any party from any branch and for any perceived reason right or wrong thinking, for money or for just the thrill of power and it can make free elections and security a joke.

74 posted on 02/14/2017 10:16:05 PM PST by mississippi red-neck ( Never apologize or give in to a lynch mob it always leads to a hanging.)
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To: JPX2011

Great points but it’s still a very disconcerting time in America.

They WILL try to push this russia sht to impeachment and i’m sure enough republican senators would go for it.

McCain may yet get to be a POW again if he turns on Trump and we take up arms.


75 posted on 02/15/2017 12:04:10 AM PST by dp0622 (The only thing an upper cbrust conservative hates more than a liberal is a middle class conservative)
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To: darkwing104

Don’t forget the lying media. They play a key role. A large house cleaning has to take place. The Cia has been corrupted for a long time. They have to be purged, but it will take time.


76 posted on 02/15/2017 4:24:56 AM PST by Carry me back (Cut the feds by 90%)
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To: Art in Idaho
At what point does Trump invite Obama for a visit to the White House for, shall we say, a discussion?

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At what point does President Trump and Att General Sessons arrest Hussein Obama for treason?

Surely they already have enough evidence.

77 posted on 02/15/2017 6:46:08 AM PST by politicianslie (What would a terrorist do if he were made POTUS? : Exactly what Hussein Obama did)
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To: CivilWarBrewing
<>The MOTIVE for Flynn's take-down is 100% ODUNGSH*T.

Obvious to even the most casual observer. Now prove it.

78 posted on 02/15/2017 6:47:34 AM PST by politicianslie (What would a terrorist do if he were made POTUS? : Exactly what Hussein Obama did)
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To: dp0622
McCain may yet get to be a POW again if he turns on Trump and we take up arms.

McCain should already be in jail. Here he is meeting with Obama's Muslim terrorists in Syria.


79 posted on 02/15/2017 6:51:26 AM PST by politicianslie (What would a terrorist do if he were made POTUS? : Exactly what Hussein Obama did)
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To: phoneman08
Maybe? I just have a feeling we totally don't know what is happening, besides Dems, RINOs and media trying to get Trump.

That would be disheartening to me , that Trump would fire Flynn to placate Pence. It would make me sad that Trump would consider the firing for that reason, and that Pence would want it.

80 posted on 02/15/2017 7:46:48 AM PST by Jaxmum
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