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IS THIS A CIVIL WAR?
boblonsberry.com ^ | 02/04/17 | Bob Lonsberry

Posted on 02/06/2017 8:43:39 AM PST by shortstop

Where does this end?

The progressives’ rejection of the presidential election, the obstruction and social disruption – what is its purpose?

Is this the Democrats in 1861, or the Bolsheviks in 1917?

Four months after the Democrats warned that refusing to accept the outcome of the presidential election would tear the country apart, they are refusing to accept the outcome of the presidential election.

In coordinated nationwide demonstrations, in random outbreaks of campus violence, in shrill denunciations and boycotts, a secession has taken place. A non-geographic civil war has seemingly been declared.

In rejecting the outcome of an election in a republic, one rejects the premise of that republic, and the compact of citizenship. It is a nullification of the social contract. If, in fact, the president selected by a constitutional process is not your president, then it is not your Constitution. You have rejected it. You have stepped outside the group which declared itself with the words, “We the People.”

Certainly, a person or a party can dislike the outcome of an election – ask any conservative about the last eight years. But to reject the outcome of an election is to come out in open hostility toward the structure which defines a nation.

It is an act of rebellion and revolution.

And to throw fuel on that fire, to ratchet up the spending and the rhetoric, to pump the marketplace of ideas with ever more invective and anger, is to mash down on the accelerator of a car headed toward a brick wall. Enraging people, abandoning civility and comity, is how you build barricades, not bridges. This is not the spirit of the American Revolution, it is the spirit of the French Revolution.

And the master funders of the progressive movement are plowing millions into it. The leaders of the Democratic Party, in government and out, are claiming and shouting outrageous and incendiary things. The shrill zealots of progressive society are shaming and blacklisting and whipping the timid into conformity.

And you wonder where it goes.

What is the end?

Where do they want this to take this country?

What is the finish line these people seek to cross?

Is all of this to whip up passion for a congressional election that is still two years away, or a presidential election two years beyond that? Is it to paralyze and derail the function of the American government, to destabilize our nation, until the candidate of the mobs can be installed?

Do they want commissars to be appointed? Do they want an overturn of the presidency? Is it a coup they seek? Do they want to foment a social disorder that crumbles the organizational infrastructure of the American nation and people?

Or is there some form of release and relief in shouting their hatred for a president and his supporters? Is there an orgasmic thrill to be had in declaring half of your fellow citizens your moral and intellectual inferiors?

Or is it extortion? Are they hoping to buy something with their unrest, to squeeze from the government some concessions and autonomies?

Will there be a new flag, and a new capital – a new currency, and who will be on it?

The Democratic Party has established itself as a coalition of the disaffected. Is it now seeking to disaffect the entire nation, to turn it against its structures and institutions -- even its electoral voice? Americans have always been taught to support the constitutional government that protects their liberties, now they are being taught to actively hate it.

Mayors have used taxpayer resources to organize political protests. Weekly demonstrations have been decreed by sitting municipal officials. The fuehrers of the arts community have declared they are undertaking a war against fascism, and performers and business leaders are threatened with blackballing if they acknowledge a new president.

In 1950 you were blacklisted if you were a communist; in 2017 you are blacklisted if you are a Republican.

The loudest voices in our society are profanely denouncing what two hundred years of American experience have defined as the basic obligation of the citizenry – to live by the Constitution. If social disruption is to occur in the wake of a presidential election, then it was not a peaceful transfer of power. If one half of the electorate is to take its toys and go home, to throw a rage of destruction over its electoral failure, then their relationship with their fellow citizens is fundamentally abusive and hostile. If the progressives can’t have control of the levers of power, then no one can.

That is bullying, at best. And civil war, at worst.

And they keep pushing down on the accelerator.

So perhaps they should be honest enough to state their objective.

What is the end game?

What are they trying to achieve?

Is this secession? Is it revolution?

Or is it just a tantrum?


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KEYWORDS: berkeley; democrats; insurrection; liberals; progressives; protests; rebellion; revolution; riots; sedition; trump
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To: Heavyrunner; All

This will not bode well for us unless we band together and strike first.


We already did that in the election.

We are now organized, with an effective leadership, and the most powerful military in the world.

I always said, if we are going to have a civil war, we should be in control of the Federal Government when it happens.

We also control most of the State governments.


41 posted on 02/06/2017 9:25:50 AM PST by marktwain (We wanted to tell our side of the story. We hope by us telling our story...)
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To: shortstop
IS THIS A CIVIL WAR?

No...

It's an UN-civil whine.

42 posted on 02/06/2017 9:26:18 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: shortstop
It's the lamentation of the women folk.



43 posted on 02/06/2017 9:29:42 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: marktwain

Thank you for pointing out the obvious.


44 posted on 02/06/2017 9:30:41 AM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: shortstop

THEY are starting a civil war. WE must END it.

Read Thomas Fliming’s book - “A Sickness in the Public Mind”.


45 posted on 02/06/2017 9:32:16 AM PST by ZULU (Particular circumstances can never be used to justify an act that is intrinsically evil.)
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To: IDontLikeToPayTaxes
They're trying to achieve what their fellow travelers Stalin, Mao, Castro, Pol Pot, etc achieved.

I remain confounded that ordinary Americans along with "Republican" members of Congress still do not understand this. The Left's most recent violent actions demonstrate with utmost clarity where the Left's collective heart is and what their aims are.

Property destruction without penalty.

Physically assaults sporadically, yet nationwide, with relative impunity demonstrate the Left's willingness to employ violence to implement their view and agenda.

The corrupt MSM, Hollywood, and the Tech Barons, are both agitating and encouraging this uprising.

There seems to be a soft civil war currently being fought, which will continue, or get much worse, the longer the media actively stand behind and shield those who are fighting this battle on their behalf. No one wants a "crack down", but unless and until the Left is exposed to a painful limit of the law, they will continue unimpeded to press the very boundaries as they become increasingly violent -- because right now they can.

I would say that things are getting more precarious the longer the Left keeps lashing out and as they grow more violent. At some point, ordinary people have a right to expect order and safety. Increasingly, the Left is becoming emboldened that their tactics of intimidation through force and violence is working, and they are being praised for such acts by the media, Hollywood, and the Tech Barons. Until there is an effective course correction it is hard to see the Left's actions simply dying down into complacent acceptance.

46 posted on 02/06/2017 9:35:16 AM PST by Obadiah (Democrats continue to wage their crusade against normal.)
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To: Elsie

That is flipping hilarious. One day the moron will look back on that pic and recoil at his glaring jackassery and being duped. Then again, maybe not.


47 posted on 02/06/2017 9:35:30 AM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: shortstop
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48 posted on 02/06/2017 9:37:39 AM PST by shortstop (I used to wrap fish in the New York Times, but it made the fish stink.)
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To: shortstop
The left is literally saying that anyone who voted for Trump, has dealings with Trump or his businesses or children's businesses, has dealings with any business or business owner who supported Trump, has business dealings or personal friendships with Trump, or who opposes abortion or gay marriage, must be shunned, demonized, boycotted, protested, harangued, and destroyed.

In other words, they want half the country pitted against the other half on a daily basis, in all relationships: personal or professional, voluntary or business. That is civil war. All that's missing right now is the shooting.
49 posted on 02/06/2017 9:49:22 AM PST by Steve_Seattle
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To: Steve_Seattle

#33


50 posted on 02/06/2017 9:52:18 AM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: All; DungeonMaster
If, in fact, the president selected by a constitutional process is not your president, then it is not your Constitution.

Yes and no. I'm reminded of the Clinton years, when a lot of us—especially NRA members, of course—defiantly held up Charlton Heston as "our President" ... So, it's not like the "not my president" shtick is totally new.

I'm tempted to follow the money. Remember who was the greatest gun salesman in the history of our nation...even while states from coast to coast were passing concealed carry laws (redefining infringement, if not eliminating it). If sales haven't already started to suffer, they will as soon as any pro-2A legislation starts to come out of Washington, DC. And no doubt the NRA et. al. are seeing donations fall off; no doubt some in their hierarchy would welcome a return to the days of fear and uncertainty. Do they really want a national reciprocity law, let alone actual constitutional carry?

We often talk about the race merchants sabotaging MLK's "dream" and stoking the fires of racism to protect their cash flow. While I'd like to think the people on our side are more virtuous than that, I'm not so foolish as to assume it's true.

Regardless, I can imagine many left-wing causes are eager to cash in on their newfound victim status, much as our own did for the past eight years. Pefhaps they're behind some of the unrest happening on and around college campuses, while the silent majority watches from afar.

But, the leftists have to know that events such as the debacle at Berkeley will cause more and more of the silent majority to wake up and begin to take action. The fear merchants would be wise to put the brakes on that sh*t, lest they see their cash cow slaughtered for good.

51 posted on 02/06/2017 9:53:46 AM PST by newgeezer (It is [the people's] right and duty to be at all times armed. --Thomas Jefferson, 1824)
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To: shortstop

I say bring it on. I’m sick and tired of leftists and their cowardly talk. That’s all they’ll ever do is b!tch and talk.


52 posted on 02/06/2017 10:06:19 AM PST by Roman_War_Criminal
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To: GraceG
"It’s a “cold civil” war"

That nails it. They want to bring political polarization and strife to ALL areas of society, 24/7.
53 posted on 02/06/2017 10:16:12 AM PST by Steve_Seattle
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To: newgeezer
"So, it's not like the "not my president" shtick is totally new."

An honest admission. I first heard it said about Bush II, then Obama, and now Trump. But this time it's gone off the charts.
54 posted on 02/06/2017 10:18:54 AM PST by Steve_Seattle
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To: shortstop

The downside is, our side is too stupid to realize this is indeed civil war. This is it. It’s here. This is what it looks like. And yet, we still sit, thumbs up our noses.


55 posted on 02/06/2017 10:23:28 AM PST by dware (I love waking up in a world with President Trump!)
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To: shortstop
Four months after the Democrats warned that refusing to accept the outcome of the presidential election would tear the country apart, they are refusing to accept the outcome of the presidential election

And it is tearing the country apart.

56 posted on 02/06/2017 10:24:57 AM PST by arthurus
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To: HarleyLady27

If Trump doesn’t neutralize George Soros soon I will finally lose faith in his judgment just a bit. Soros can be arrested and extradited to one of a couple of countries with warrants on him. And he is past his 80th year so is not in the best of health and might not survive an arrest and incarceration ordeal.


57 posted on 02/06/2017 10:29:25 AM PST by arthurus
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To: mbarker12474
Their side does not care whether Trump is a wannabe tyrant. Not at all. The left cares that they thought themselves set to cross the line and have it all and Trump aborted it. Their real beef with trump is that at this crucial moment he is one of Them and not one of Us. It all boils down to Us and Them. Lenin laid it all out in his little book, Who? Whom?
58 posted on 02/06/2017 10:36:01 AM PST by arthurus
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To: HLPhat

Prophetable?


59 posted on 02/06/2017 10:37:15 AM PST by arthurus
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To: Obadiah

I'll disagree with one minor point you made:

The attacks aren't working, not politically at least.

I read a fascinating article posted here today.

The spineless GOP is as much responsible for the violence of the Left as the Dems.

The GOP sat by for decades while domestic terrorists of the 60s and 70s are free as birds, even rising to prominence in the Leftist movement.

The article specifically gave examples like Bill Ayers and the Weather Underground.

60 posted on 02/06/2017 10:52:11 AM PST by IDontLikeToPayTaxes
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