Both NYS and Ca should be divided.
LOL. My husband and I discussed this over the weekend. CA should be North and South CA. North is more conservative.
I live in VA and 80% of the counties went for Trump, but the populated areas gave the win to Hillary :(
The left need to be careful what they ask for.
Immediately after California secedes about 80% of the rest of the state, by land mass, will secede from them. Taking all water, food and electric production.
With only 1/3 support I agree, maybe in 3. California, Sanfagcisco, and LA.
I would think that a sizable percentage of those living in areas wanting to succeed would actually want to become part of Mexico.
California could actually divided into eighths
Los Angeles and San Francisco being independent, with the remaining 3/4 being a nice red state.
I think is should split into five. Texas too.
When the borders were set, I don't know why they included the southern area--most of the population was in the north where the gold fields were. Did they think the southern area would never have very many people? The logical place to divide the area was at 36 degrees 30 minutes north, but the Northern Congressmen may have feared that would pave the way to the creation of a slave state in the area to the south of that line.
We don’t need to fix the state. California is a beautiful and rich place.
We need to fix the people.
Several states that want to break up — why?
Within a few years, the Libs will have infiltrated the broken off sections and the new segmented state will be back in the same shape condition in a couple of decades — Libs running things and creating havoc.
Libs spread into non-Lib states. Look at Nevada, Idaho, Montana, Colorado, New Mexico, Texas, etc.
Breaking up into another entity is not the solution. It is sort of like chopping off one’s arm because a finger has a splinter.
Man up! Take your state back! Otherwise, breaking the state up is like compromise, and look at what compromise has done — in DC, for example. In compromise, you lose and the Libs win.
Just what this nation needs — a dozen future Venezuelas peppered along the coastal regions and inland.
You think they still won’t be suckling off FED money? Most foreign nations get some kind of FED money now.
As separate nation-states they would get the money without DC regulating how they spend it.
While California will not exit the USA, it would be a good think for the rest of the USA if it did. The Dems would lose 55 electoral votes sparing the rest of us from another Clinton or Obama who run as centrists but are really far leftists.
California will crash and burn as a separate nation and will be forced to seek reentry into the USA. If the members of Congress are smart at that time (Yeah, I know!) they will insist on creating the California Territory and have it run by a territorial government for at least twenty years. At the end of the twenty year period, the California Territory will be slowly divided into smaller states allowing the more conservative parts of the territory to enter the Union first and the most liberal parts of the territory later. Of the five states admitted, two with a bit over half the population would contain most of the liberals. The other three will contain the conservative part of the territory. The Democrats will get a lock on about 30 electoral votes. The Republicans will get a lock on about 65 electoral votes.
If the people of California refused to become a territory upon reentry, let them join Mexico as California Norte.
Agree. But if the north-south divide ever occurred, there would be a final exodus of the majority of the tax-paying conservatives left in what would then be the ultra-lib/progress/Mexican southern half of a state utterly controlled by LA.
CalMexit
2 more Senators from there? no.
As a conservative Californian, I’m thinking about a three step process.
1. I’m thinking about hiring out to collect Calexit signatures in front of our Whole Foods and Target stores.
Beside making good money for each signature. A Calexit will destroy the national rat party. They would never win a national election vote wise without Californicator illegal voters. They would lose 2 senators Fineswine and our new left wing fascist Senator and 38 Congressits including Pelosi. That would put control of Congress into Republican hands for decades, destroying the rats nationally.
2. Then, I would help with the succession from CalExit to the State of Jefferson (Southern Oregon counties and California counties down to at least Fresno). Those counties are some of the most conservative voting counties in the nation. That would give us 2 more conservative senators and about 12-14 conservative congressmen.
3. The new State of Jefferson would control the food, water and energy that the new Calexit country needs. We could charge whatever we want, cut off the Hetch Hechy water for gay Frisco and no water for the LA Raza LA area. In a few weeks without food, water and energy, the new country of CalExit would beg to come back to America. We might allow them to be a Puerto Rico type area with no $inators and no Congressits. They would be governed by strict conservatives like Jim Robinson and his friends.
To Calexit dreamers, be careful of what you wish for.
California should secede - the libs will never win another national election,which will cause even more libs to leave the US. Where’s the downside?
There’s the minor problem of Art 4 Sec 3 in the Constitution:
Section 3
1: New States may be admitted by the Congress into this Union; but no new State shall be formed or erected within the Jurisdiction of any other State; nor any State be formed by the Junction of two or more States, or Parts of States, without the Consent of the Legislatures of the States concerned as well as of the Congress.
From my facile understanding of what passes for politics in `Cali’ it seems to me that if urban CA can’t extract its head there should be an East California and West California, like Chile and Argentina.