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George Orwell: ‘What is Fascism?’ Tribune article 1944 (thrown around loosely back then as now) ^

Posted on 01/22/2017 4:54:55 PM PST by Bigtigermike


Of all the unanswered questions of our time, perhaps the most important is: ‘What is Fascism?’

One of the social survey organizations in America recently asked this question of a hundred different people, and got answers ranging from ‘pure democracy’ to ‘pure diabolism’. In this country if you ask the average thinking person to define Fascism, he usually answers by pointing to the German and Italian régimes. But this is very unsatisfactory, because even the major Fascist states differ from one another a good deal in structure and ideology.

It is not easy, for instance, to fit Germany and Japan into the same framework, and it is even harder with some of the small states which are describable as Fascist. It is usually assumed, for instance, that Fascism is inherently warlike, that it thrives in an atmosphere of war hysteria and can only solve its economic problems by means of war preparation or foreign conquests. But clearly this is not true of, say, Portugal or the various South American dictatorships. Or again, antisemitism is supposed to be one of the distinguishing marks of Fascism; but some Fascist movements are not antisemitic. Learned controversies, reverberating for years on end in American magazines, have not even been able to determine whether or not Fascism is a form of capitalism. But still, when we apply the term ‘Fascism’ to Germany or Japan or Mussolini's Italy, we know broadly what we mean. It is in internal politics that this word has lost the last vestige of meaning. For if you examine the press you will find that there is almost no set of people — certainly no political party or organized body of any kind — which has not been denounced as Fascist during the past ten years.Here I am not speaking of the verbal use of the term ‘Fascist’. I am speaking of what I have seen in print. I have seen the words ‘Fascist in sympathy’, or ‘of Fascist tendency’, or just plain ‘Fascist’, applied in all seriousness to the following bodies of people:

Conservatives:All Conservatives, appeasers or anti-appeasers, are held to be subjectively pro-Fascist. British rule in India and the Colonies is held to be indistinguishable from Nazism. Organizations of what one might call a patriotic and traditional type are labelled crypto-Fascist or ‘Fascist-minded’. Examples are the Boy Scouts, the Metropolitan Police, M.I.5, the British Legion. Key phrase: ‘The public schools are breeding-grounds of Fascism’.

Socialists: Defenders of old-style capitalism (example, Sir Ernest Benn) maintain that Socialism and Fascism are the same thing. Some Catholic journalists maintain that Socialists have been the principal collaborators in the Nazi-occupied countries. The same accusation is made from a different angle by the Communist party during its ultra-Left phases. In the period 1930-35 the Daily Worker habitually referred to the Labour Party as the Labour Fascists. This is echoed by other Left extremists such as Anarchists. Some Indian Nationalists consider the British trade unions to be Fascist organizations.

Communists: A considerable school of thought (examples, Rauschning, Peter Drucker, James Burnham, F. A. Voigt) refuses to recognize a difference between the Nazi and Soviet régimes, and holds that all Fascists and Communists are aiming at approximately the same thing and are even to some extent the same people. Leaders in The Times (pre-war) have referred to the U.S.S.R. as a ‘Fascist country’. Again from a different angle this is echoed by Anarchists and Trotskyists.

Trotskyists: Communists charge the Trotskyists proper, i.e. Trotsky's own organization, with being a crypto-Fascist organization in Nazi pay. This was widely believed on the Left during the Popular Front period. In their ultra-Right phases the Communists tend to apply the same accusation to all factions to the Left of themselves, e.g. Common Wealth or the I.L.P.

Catholics: Outside its own ranks, the Catholic Church is almost universally regarded as pro-Fascist, both objectively and subjectively; War resisters: Pacifists and others who are anti-war are frequently accused not only of making things easier for the Axis, but of becoming tinged with pro-Fascist feeling.

Supporters of the war: War resisters usually base their case on the claim that British imperialism is worse than Nazism, and tend to apply the term ‘Fascist’ to anyone who wishes for a military victory. The supporters of the People's Convention came near to claiming that willingness to resist a Nazi invasion was a sign of Fascist sympathies. The Home Guard was denounced as a Fascist organization as soon as it appeared. In addition, the whole of the Left tends to equate militarism with Fascism. Politically conscious private soldiers nearly always refer to their officers as ‘Fascist-minded’ or ‘natural Fascists’. Battle-schools, spit and polish, saluting of officers are all considered conducive to Fascism. Before the war, joining the Territorials was regarded as a sign of Fascist tendencies. Conscription and a professional army are both denounced as Fascist phenomena.

Nationalists: Nationalism is universally regarded as inherently Fascist, but this is held only to apply to such national movements as the speaker happens to disapprove of. Arab nationalism, Polish nationalism, Finnish nationalism, the Indian Congress Party, the Muslim League, Zionism, and the I.R.A. are all described as Fascist but not by the same people.

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It will be seen that, as used, the word ‘Fascism’ is almost entirely meaningless. In conversation, of course, it is used even more wildly than in print. I have heard it applied to farmers, shopkeepers, Social Credit, corporal punishment, fox-hunting, bull-fighting, the 1922 Committee, the 1941 Committee, Kipling, Gandhi, Chiang Kai-Shek, homosexuality, Priestley's broadcasts, Youth Hostels, astrology, women, dogs and I do not know what else.

Yet underneath all this mess there does lie a kind of buried meaning. To begin with, it is clear that there are very great differences, some of them easy to point out and not easy to explain away, between the régimes called Fascist and those called democratic. Secondly, if ‘Fascist’ means ‘in sympathy with Hitler’, some of the accusations I have listed above are obviously very much more justified than others. Thirdly, even the people who recklessly fling the word ‘Fascist’ in every direction attach at any rate an emotional significance to it. By ‘Fascism’ they mean, roughly speaking, something cruel, unscrupulous, arrogant, obscurantist, anti-liberal and anti-working-class. Except for the relatively small number of Fascist sympathizers, almost any English person would accept ‘bully’ as a synonym for ‘Fascist’. That is about as near to a definition as this much-abused word has come. But Fascism is also a political and economic system. Why, then, cannot we have a clear and generally accepted definition of it? Alas! we shall not get one — not yet, anyway. To say why would take too long, but basically it is because it is impossible to define Fascism satisfactorily without making admissions which neither the Fascists themselves, nor the Conservatives, nor Socialists of any colour, are willing to make. All one can do for the moment is to use the word with a certain amount of circumspection and not, as is usually done, degrade it to the level of a swearword.


THE END ____BD____ George Orwell: ‘What is Fascism?’

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Hmmm!!! The more things change, the more they stay the same. All Liberals and anti-trumpers need to read history and learn that they are just repeating what was done in midst of WWII when the real fascist party was raging war. People were throwing it around loosely back then and no one knew what it actually mean. Good read to show to libs and snowflakes
1 posted on 01/22/2017 4:54:55 PM PST by Bigtigermike
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To: Bigtigermike

Liberal Fascism by Jonah Goldberg seems to give the best explanation of it.

2 posted on 01/22/2017 5:01:14 PM PST by EBH (As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.)
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To: Bigtigermike

My Father’s outfit first met up with the Russians in May 1945 outside Berlin. After Berlin was divided up they went into the city and began rebuilding efforts.

One thing which struck me was he said that for the first few weeks, every time they would meet a Russian, he would say “death to fascism”. I guess the Americans sort of gave them a blank stare and they quit after then.

I once read that Mussolini himself said he could not define fascism.

3 posted on 01/22/2017 5:01:19 PM PST by yarddog (Romans 8:38-39, For I am persuaded.)
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Libs like to throw around the term towards the Trump administration as facism and even back then in 1944 they didn’t know what that means

4 posted on 01/22/2017 5:06:05 PM PST by Bigtigermike (D)
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To: Bigtigermike

A better term for the type of government Oceania, and for that matter Eastasia and Eurasia had:
relating to a system of government that is centralized and dictatorial and requires complete subservience to the state.

Fascism is a means to an end. This is what the Democrats want. Who is using fascist tactics? Do you remember angry conservatives and Republicans attacking Democrats and rioting in 2012? Neither do I.

5 posted on 01/22/2017 5:07:27 PM PST by tumblindice (America's founding fathers, all armed conservatives)
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To: Bigtigermike

I remember reading in an old 1950’s dictionary that Facism is a form of socialism where government controls private property not by ownership but by regulation.

Sounds like Bammy doesn’t it?

6 posted on 01/22/2017 5:07:28 PM PST by lizma2
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7 posted on 01/22/2017 5:07:37 PM PST by rlmorel (Orwell described Liberals when he wrote of those who "repudiate morality while laying claim to it.")
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To: yarddog

I’ll give it a shot. Fascism is militaristic, nationalist, and economically a combination of socialism and crony capitalism.

8 posted on 01/22/2017 5:08:58 PM PST by maro (MAGA!)
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To: VR-21

Save for later.

9 posted on 01/22/2017 5:13:31 PM PST by VR-21
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To: Bigtigermike

A Fascist is anyone who disagrees with a Communist.

There’s a reason that the Communists always called Nazis “Fascists”, it was a way to avoid admitting that the Nazis were fellow Socialists.

10 posted on 01/22/2017 5:15:22 PM PST by dfwgator
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To the left, if you are not a Marxist or, now, an Islamist, you are a “fascist.” The Marxists recognize communism, and they recognize anything close to communism that will lead to communism. The Marxists appreciate Islam because it threatens the West. So to the Marxists, anything else is fascism.

11 posted on 01/22/2017 5:15:33 PM PST by Wilhelm Tell (True or False? This is not a tag line.)
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To: maro
economically a combination of socialism and crony capitalism.

That's how talk radio's Andrew Wilkow pretty much defines it.

12 posted on 01/22/2017 5:20:26 PM PST by lizma2
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To: Bigtigermike

In general usage, if you are a liberal it is someone more conservative than you.

If you are a conservative it is a militant liberal.

13 posted on 01/22/2017 5:25:44 PM PST by yarddog (Romans 8:38-39, For I am persuaded.)
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To: Bigtigermike
What is Fascism?

Fascism is Communism Lite!

I decided quite some time ago that it no longer mattered what definition was associated with what label.

Discussing various government labels without a clear understanding or agreement to the meaning is pointless.

If a government's first obligation is not to protect the rights of the citizens then I don’t want any association with it regardless of its label or definition.

14 posted on 01/22/2017 5:31:21 PM PST by MosesKnows (Love Many, Trust Few, and Always Paddle Your Own Canoe)
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To: Bigtigermike

Fascism is government control of industrial output. Nothing more.

15 posted on 01/22/2017 5:38:11 PM PST by Duke C.
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16 posted on 01/22/2017 5:40:05 PM PST by CriticalJ (Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress.. But then I repeat myself. MT)
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To: Bigtigermike

The average leftist liberal would not know a fascist if hit over the head with a bundle of bound sticks.

17 posted on 01/22/2017 6:02:04 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: Bigtigermike
Fascist symbols.

18 posted on 01/22/2017 6:07:58 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: Duke C.

Finally! Why do folks find it so hard to define political ideologies? Most if not all are easily defined in 10 words or less!

19 posted on 01/22/2017 6:13:13 PM PST by Manly Warrior (US ARMY (Ret), "No Free Lunches for the Dogs of War")
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To: Wilhelm Tell

Marxists must like Islam because it too is total subservience to the State, bow to the capital of the empire (Mecca) five times a day, every day. Do not question the Imam or Sharia Law.

20 posted on 01/22/2017 6:30:18 PM PST by a fool in paradise (The COM-Left is saddened by the death of the Communist dictator Fidel Castro. No surprise there.)
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