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‘Heroin is the worst thing in the world’
Boston Globe ^ | 12/18/16 | Allen

Posted on 12/18/2016 7:33:25 AM PST by pabianice

The story fit the grim emerging genre of the opioid epidemic: addicted caregivers who imperil their young children, their very public failings instantly held up for excoriation on social media. Tamara and Jacob had abruptly been added to a national tableau, fused in the popular imagination with the Ohio couple slowly turning blue in their SUV while a 4-year-old watched from his carseat; the Milwaukee pair revived with Narcan in front of the woman’s 2-year-old son; the woman who overdosed in the toy aisle of a Lawrence dollar store, while her toddler wailed and pulled at her arm.

Much less visible are the lives behind the headlines, especially of those who are trying to help the broken get whole again, and to bring life and hope to the children.

(Excerpt) Read more at bostonglobe.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: drugs; heroin; heroinepidemic; victimlesscrime; wod; wosd
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To: Rusty0604

“My son was introduced to meth by his business partner as help to get through working long hours.”

What happened to his partner? Hopefully, he’s completely out of his life; otherwise...


81 posted on 12/18/2016 10:27:05 AM PST by jackibutterfly (We have to stop saying "How stupid can you get". Too many people are seeing it as a challenge.)
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To: IrishBrigade

I hate that they are taking pain meds away from people in pain. I took heavy duty pain meds, sustained release morphine twice a day and 15mg oxicodone, several times a day for break through pain for 3 years.

After I found the right neurosurgeon to do a 16 hour surgery and no longer had any pain I weaned myself from the pain meds by myself. If I had not had pain meds I would have killed myself while trying to find a doctor that would take my case.

My PCP said she wasn’t qualified and quack pain management doc said I needed the meds.

I took the prescription he wrote, made another appointment that I knew I wouldn’t keep. I had a small stockpile of pills at home that accumulated while I was in the hospital.

I immediately threw out the sustained release crap. I took the oxicodone in smaller doses. When I felt my sign of withdraw I took a pill. I did this for about 2 weeks, then I cut the dose smaller and smaller,. I only took them when I had my sign of withdraw (chills when the temps were in the 90’s). I finally threw the pills away when I was down to less than 3 mg. with very little withdraw.

This was more than 6 years ago. I had foot surgery in April and was sent home with vicodone. I took 3 for pain and threw the rest away.

It is horrible that they want to take pain meds from people in pain.

For those that can’t get pain meds when in REAL NEED I would look into kratom while it is still legal.

Kratom has even been used to help some heroin addicts that want to stop to get off heroin.


82 posted on 12/18/2016 10:57:11 AM PST by muggs (I havenÂ’t seen the Democrats this mad since we freed the slaves!)
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To: Gaffer

Yep, it never ends pretty. Unless they get off the drug, it ends up killing them. Heroin the worst, because it slows your heart rate. So it’s just a matter of time before they re in the morgue.


83 posted on 12/18/2016 10:59:25 AM PST by Carry me back (Cut the feds by 90%)
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To: Carry me back
When I lived in a large city years ago I made the acquaintance of a lot of young drug addicts—may of them suburban kids with well-off parents, and I'm talking meth and heroin here. The sad thing is that most of them hated their lives and wanted to quit but couldn't afford rehab. Many of them ended up in prison, then went right back to drugs after they got out because they couldn't find a job or anywhere to live after a felony conviction. Many of them died of gunshot wounds or overdoses.

Methadone clinics can be a lifesaver, if you can get to them regularly and if you can afford the dose (about $11 a day). I'd like to see an option for mandatory in-patient treatment for a year for addicts that get caught and taken to court, without a felony conviction at the end of it for first time offenders. That would include the lower-level drug dealers, as many of them are addicts who sell in order to support their habits, rather than rob others.

84 posted on 12/18/2016 11:25:54 AM PST by binreadin
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To: pabianice

How do you define “irony?” By refusing to seal the borders thus allowing crimigrants to smuggle heroin into the country which kills the children of those who refuse to seal the borders.


85 posted on 12/18/2016 12:12:25 PM PST by LouAvul (The most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever he will.)
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To: jonascord

You should study up on the behavior that substance dependency engenders in people. They will do anything to feed their habit. And that means innocent people get hurt.


86 posted on 12/18/2016 12:15:04 PM PST by fella ("As it was before Noah so shall it be again,")
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To: yldstrk; Gaffer
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87 posted on 12/18/2016 12:37:21 PM PST by HLPhat (It takes a Republic TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS - not a populist Tyranny of the Majority)
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To: umgud
>>Ever seen a moderate heroin addict?

"ANGELINA JOLIE IN HEROIN DEN TALKS S&M" 
http://www.spike.com/articles/sq67al/angelina-jolie-in-heroin-den-talks-s-m

Evidently the teenage smack whackers in suburbia have been raised to think she's super cool.

This. Just. In:

Moderate heroin users Janis Joplin and John Belushi are still.... moderately dead.

88 posted on 12/18/2016 1:13:19 PM PST by HLPhat (It takes a Republic TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS - not a populist Tyranny of the Majority)
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To: pabianice

I disagree with the premise. LIB/Prog is the worst thing. They murdered 100’s of millions of human beings in the last 150 years throughout the world. In the womb, on the battlefield, in their insane revolutions and through their fascism. They are ghouls who worship death.


89 posted on 12/18/2016 1:19:32 PM PST by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?.)
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To: yldstrk

“121 days is nothing. Time will tell. Hope she makes it. My opinion is meth addiction is a death sentence. I have seen recovery go bad too many times. If they don’t heal themselves from being addicted to drama, it won’t stick.”

It’s interesting to me that you referred to the addiction to drama. I just had friend explain that to me. How life going smoothly just didn’t work for so many people and they needed more “drama” in their lives. So they start fights in bars, boink their friend’s wife and presto, lots of drama, and their boring life is now full of exciting drama.

Addiction to drama is the one I did not identify of the many addictions I have observed in the behavior of people I try to help learn how to live outside of the probability of going back to prison.


90 posted on 12/18/2016 1:40:14 PM PST by Blue Collar Christian (I thank God, Broom Hillary was stopped. Now, moving on, I pray for Trump.)
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To: Blue Collar Christian

It’s a big one. I have to constantly coach my clients to prefer peace and calm to drama.


91 posted on 12/18/2016 1:43:15 PM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: yldstrk

I think I agree with you yldstrk. I work at a treatment center and meth is our biggest challenge. Especially for the younger patience.


92 posted on 12/18/2016 1:44:03 PM PST by CarolAnn
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To: Scrambler Bob
Can I use my EBT card?

No. Buy your own five-pound sacks of heroin at Walmart.

Quit being a parasite on society, and start respecting we who purchase our own five-pound sacks of heroin at Walmart.

93 posted on 12/18/2016 1:44:55 PM PST by Lazamataz (TRUMP LIED TO ME!!!! ....He said I'd get sick of winning.... AND I'M NOT SICK OF WINNING YET!!!!)
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To: hal ogen

I disagree with the premise.

I do as well...in my opinion, addiction to Hallmark TV Christmas movies ranks right up there...


94 posted on 12/18/2016 1:50:41 PM PST by IrishBrigade
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To: Gaffer

Both are very bad. Black tar heroin is much worse than brown heroin, often instantly addictive. It originates in Mexico, and almost all the dealers are illegal aliens who make house calls, and recruit outside rehab centers and school, providing free samples to naive youngsters. Oddly, the black tar dealers are under orders to provide it only to whites.


95 posted on 12/18/2016 1:55:40 PM PST by apocalypto
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To: yldstrk

The end result of protecting people from their own stupidity is to live in a world full of fools.


96 posted on 12/18/2016 2:13:52 PM PST by jmacusa (Election 2016. The Battle of Midway for The Democrat Party.)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

You’re right. Liberalism is the worst thing in the world.


97 posted on 12/18/2016 2:14:47 PM PST by MayflowerMadam
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To: Robert DeLong

“No doubt that heroin is a bad substance, but I think alcohol is just as bad. Both can kill you if you consume more than your body can tolerate. Just as both can, and often do, destroy entire families.”

You are correct, however, the important distinction to make is “How Long Does It Take For The Person Making Bad Choices To Become Hopeless Addicted”.

Becoming an alcoholic takes a little while. You don’t just pop open a Sam Adam’s and start selling all your stuff to support your habit. Although the exact amount of time it takes to swing from being a social drinker to someone with an alcohol problem varies from person to person, I would suggest that the individual has lots of time to consider the ramdicafations of their actions compared to an opiate user.

Opiates rewire your brain’s network in a pretty short amount of time. After only a couple of weeks, you will have severe physical withdrawl symptoms and your brain chemistry will stop recognizing things other than heroin as being able to bring the brain pleasure.

In all fairness, you can get very severe detox from alcohol as well, but getting to that point takes a lot longer then it does with opiates.

You are very correct that both of them are bad choices that lead people down horrible roads, and that families are tragically impacted.


98 posted on 12/18/2016 2:31:59 PM PST by Ueriah
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To: Robert DeLong
No doubt that heroin is a bad substance, but I think alcohol is just as bad.

Alcohol is worse than all other drugs combined, and by several orders of magnitude. It's not even close when one pauses to consider the whole picture.

That's why the hysterical Prohibitionist Mind, with its simplistic authoritarian shortcuts, is such a dangerous thing. How utterly "progressive".

We've all seen the results of such thinking and policy historically, and so have our ancestors.

Threatening someone with prison for possessing the wrong plant, medicine, liquid spirits, or whatever is as antithetical to Liberty as you can get. People have the right to choose wrongly or foolishly in their "pursuit of happiness". The State certainly isn't a substitute for it.

When someone actually infringes on somebody else's rights via force, fraud, or negligence (say, DUI, for instance), that's when it's legitimate to bring the Law into the picture.

Barring that, there are still some of the People who value Unalienable Rights, such as the Right to Privacy and to be left alone in general, and won't exchange them for a little "temporary safety".

Education, not legislation, is the only thing that will ultimately mitigate the challenges which invariably accrue to a Free society.

I much prefer those animating challenges to some kind of totalitarian culture which attempts to force virtue out of people by threatening to destroy their lives to an even greater degree than substance abuse itself would.

And let's not forget, the Prohibitionist State can only wage such a War with ever expanding police powers and ever more draconian tactics. A Prohibitionist cannot be for limited government without being a hypocrite.

But I digress. By any objective analysis, however, whether it be violence, domestic abuse, vehicular homicides, health costs and consequences, or what have you, there's no doubt in my mind that our beloved alcohol wins that contest, hands down...

99 posted on 12/18/2016 2:36:54 PM PST by sargon (The Revolution is ON! Support President-elect Trump!)
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To: fella

“Where’s the “recreational drug use doesn’t hurt anybody” crowd on this?

FR used to have a small but loud covey of them. Maybe they OD’d.”

Still alive and well, to borrow a phrase from Johnny Winters.

Nobody says that recreational drug use doesn’t hurt anybody, but there’s a bunch of us that want to be able to decide whether or not we can hurt ourselves without having the government pile on top of us for our choice. Remember that time when we made alcohol illegal because “society knows best”? How did that turn on?


100 posted on 12/18/2016 2:38:27 PM PST by Ueriah
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