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To: ameribbean expat; headstamp 2; EvilCapitalist; DoughtyOne; max americana; shhrubbery!; ...
Let me explain what is going on with this. You don't have to agree with it - in fact, if I was American, I certainly wouldn't agree with it - but the facts may be a bit different from what people are assuming.

First of all, these people have been judged to be genuine refugees. Australia sets very strict standards on assessing people as genuine refugees, among the strictest in the world. While mistakes are possible, they are unusual.

The reason they will not be resettled in Australia is that even though they have been judged to be genuine refugees, they attempted to enter Australia unlawfully by boat. Australia has a policy that no person who attempts to come unlawfully by boat will be permitted to settle here under any circumstances, even if they are found to be a genuine refugee. The reason for this is to encourage those who do have a genuine case for asylum to go through the correct channels - no refugee comes to Australia without passing through other safe nations (most often Indonesia at the very least). They are supposed to wait in those nations while those claims are assessed - not continue onwards to another nation. There are a few reasons Australia discourages that - the first is that when we didn't, we had a massive influx of people - since the policy was introduced, it's fallen to very low levels. The second is purely humanitarian - the sea crossing is dangerous and when people were doing this, large numbers were drowning.

If people try to come here unlawfully by boat, they are placed in offshore processing facilities (like that in Nauru) and their claims are assessed. If they are not genuine refugees, they are deported. The issue is what to do with those who are genuine refugees. Australia has a legal responsibility to resettle them - but bringing them to Australia would be disastrous for our border protection - so Australia seeks to send them to other nations that will accept them.

The United States has a policy (as most nations do) of accepting a certain number of genuine refugees each year. That's a fact. They have to come from somewhere. While, as I've said I understand why people don't like this and I wouldn't support it if I was an American, the fact is by taking these people, the US is filling part of the quota on refugees your government has chosen to put in place, with people have been subjected to an unusually high level of vetting to determine they are both genuine refugees and not dangerous. And the US remains fully entitled to vet them again.

Yes, I'm sure the Obama administration is agreeing to this now as a middle finger to the incoming Trump administration - but the Australian government would be stupid not to take advantage of the United States agreeing to this.

33 posted on 11/13/2016 2:43:57 AM PST by naturalman1975 ("America was under attack. Australia was immediately there to help." - John Winston Howard)
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To: naturalman1975

Imagine, a country that protects it’s borders.


35 posted on 11/13/2016 3:25:46 AM PST by AFreeBird (BEST. ELECTION. EVER!)
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To: naturalman1975

I agree with almost everything you said and I know about Aus policy and their reasoning. These people may have been judged refugees by Aus, that doesn’t mean they are refugees by U.S. standards. We have refugee quotas too, none of that matters to Obama. The standards are out the window. People are being allowed refugee status from friendly countries on the flimsiest grounds. Under Obama we have no standards and are under full assault by illegal invaders, thus Trump.


36 posted on 11/13/2016 3:32:48 AM PST by VTenigma (The Democrat party is the party of the mathematically challenged)
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To: naturalman1975

love your profile page


38 posted on 11/13/2016 6:42:19 AM PST by manc ( If they want so called marriage equality then they should support polygamy too.)
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To: naturalman1975

“but the Australian government would be stupid not to take advantage of the United States agreeing to this. “

Thank you for that detailed explanation. I learned.

And I thought about it, under current law, I guess we’d have to take them.

However the phrase: “take advantage of the United States”

irks me and the other 65 million Trump voters, especially from an “ally”.

No offense intended, just trying to communicate the mood of this country.


39 posted on 11/13/2016 8:06:19 AM PST by JPJones (George Washington's Tariffs were Patriotic. Build a Wall and Build a Wall of tariffs.)
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To: naturalman1975; ameribbean expat; headstamp 2; EvilCapitalist; DoughtyOne; max americana
these people have been judged to be genuine refugees.

I don't care if they are "genuine" men from Mars.

Send them back to wherever they came from.

40 posted on 11/13/2016 8:06:21 AM PST by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either satire or opinion. Or both.)
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To: naturalman1975

While I understand your reasoning, and it sounds solid to me, I do not agree with taking these people.

Our nation has been absolutely flooded with illegal aliens and Islamic adherents. Even normal refugee Islamic adherents are problematic. They do not blend in to a society. They remain different and divisive.

They challenge anything Christian and lead to societal changes that mute Christians and lead to Islamic beliefs superseding Christian beliefs.

Where we used to be able to have a simple prayer before public meetings and things like that, these prayers are now deemed inappropriate because we are praying to the Christian God.

It is also a sad fact that our public schools who will not allow anything Christian within their edifices to the education gods, feel it their duty to teach Islam there.

Kids are taught Islam and are expected to act out different tenets to it in role playing exercises. It has come to our attention that kids are being asked to contemplate jihad, and think what their own jihad would feel like.

While this isn’t every school, the fact it is happening at all is a massive warning signal.

These things are very troubling to us. I want a full moratorium on any further Islamic immigration.

While I don’t necessarily feel good about having to take this approach, I still think it is fully necessary.


41 posted on 11/13/2016 9:49:30 AM PST by DoughtyOne (The morning and the evening were the election day. People voted. The Lord saw, and it was good.)
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To: naturalman1975
Yes, and I'm not mad at Australia. In fact I think they've done something very sensible in refusing to admit these refugees to their country.

But we in America need to be sensible too. Ever since Teddy Kennedy's disastrous "reform" of our immigration system, we've been inundated with a flood of migrants who are very hard to assimilate (or who refuse to assimilate).

For our own survival we need to put a moratorium on accepting migrants who come from cultures that are extremely divergent from our own liberal Western culture.

E.g., from cultures where "honor killings" of family members are acceptable; where killing the infidel is a religious duty; where raping unaccompanied women is ok; where bizarre practices such as digging up the dead to obtain body parts for magic rituals is considered normal, etc.

44 posted on 11/13/2016 10:27:01 AM PST by shhrubbery! (NIH!)
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To: naturalman1975

They are mohammedans, right?
If the US has, one each mohammedan, it is too many!!
“We’re full, get (tr)ucked!”


46 posted on 11/13/2016 1:15:49 PM PST by Terry L Smith
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