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Accuracy in Academia ^ | November 3, 2016 | Malcolm A. Kline

Posted on 11/03/2016 9:14:51 AM PDT by Academiadotorg

Your grievances could be worth millions, to the ACLU.

The legendary "public interest" lawyers are suing a florist from the state of Washington for refusing to do floral designs for an "alternative" wedding. "The attorneys’ fees in the case alone come to one to two million dollars," the florist, Barronelle Stutzman, said in the other Washington--D.C.--last week at a conference sponsored by the Alliance for Defending Freedom (ADF), which is representing her.

Of course, the case could bankrupt Mrs. Stutzman and her husband. By the way, ADF works pro bono, or free.

"Barronelle Stutzman, the sole owner of Arlene's Flowers in Richland, Washington, has for her entire career served and employed people who identify as LGBT," according to the ADF. "Despite this, the American Civil Liberties Union and the Washington attorney general allege that she is guilty of unlawful discrimination because she acted consistent with her faith and declined to create custom floral arrangements for one same-sex ceremony of a long-time customer and friend." He was a "customer and friend for ten years," according to Mrs. Stutzman, who still considers him to be.

"Barronelle lost at the Washington state trial court level and asked for a direct appeal to the Washington Supreme Court,” according to the ADF update. “Her case will be argued before the Court on November 15, 2016."

(Excerpt) Read more at academia.org ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Washington
KEYWORDS: aclu; florists; gaymarriage
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Just what is America's most well-known public interest law firm really interested in?
1 posted on 11/03/2016 9:14:51 AM PDT by Academiadotorg
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To: Academiadotorg

They are the scum of the earth.


2 posted on 11/03/2016 9:19:58 AM PDT by deadrock (I is someone else.)
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To: Academiadotorg

No “friend” would have anything to do with this attempt to destroy.


3 posted on 11/03/2016 9:25:30 AM PDT by Aetius
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To: Academiadotorg

...ADF works pro bono, or free....

A couple of million dollars of legal fees in their pocket isn’t exactly working for “free.”


4 posted on 11/03/2016 9:34:30 AM PDT by Sasparilla (Hillary for Prison 2016)
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To: Sasparilla

uh, not it their pocket...


5 posted on 11/03/2016 9:37:26 AM PDT by Academiadotorg
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To: Academiadotorg
I wouldn't even bother hiring a lawyer to defend me in a case like this.

The founders of this country overthrew a government for far less than this diabolical sh!t.

6 posted on 11/03/2016 9:54:37 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("Yo, bartender -- Jobu needs a refill!")
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To: deadrock

They only care about “some” civil liberties.


7 posted on 11/03/2016 10:21:50 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: Alberta's Child

Well it looks like she didn’t “hire” these folks — they volunteered. Do you mean you would not accept a volunteer? No matter what spirit was coming down the road?


8 posted on 11/03/2016 10:23:03 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: Academiadotorg

The news article sounds ill worded. ADF is furnishing, pro bono, services worth that much. Whether it raises funds from donors to buy them, or its house attorneys donate them, is of no matter to the florist.

ADF rightly sees this as a signal civil rights issue. As long as it gives glory to God, it’s doing exactly the right thing.


9 posted on 11/03/2016 10:25:54 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

The article contains some conflicting information. The victim in this case — the owner of the florist — seems to know that the legal fees now exceed $1M. And the article says the case could bankrupt her.


10 posted on 11/03/2016 10:28:40 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("Yo, bartender -- Jobu needs a refill!")
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To: Alberta's Child

Bankrupt her in the sense of costing her civil fines and the requirement to shut down her business, if the Washington regulation or regulatory decision is not struck down.


11 posted on 11/03/2016 10:29:35 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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Even so, I hope she's preparing for the eventuality of losing the case.

I sure would be.

And my preparation wouldn't involve lawyers, either.

12 posted on 11/03/2016 10:42:33 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("Yo, bartender -- Jobu needs a refill!")
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To: Alberta's Child

That sounds like double talk to me.

Your preparation, if medicine will not save your life, will not involve doctors?

But where do you get the medicine with which you will first try to save your life?


13 posted on 11/03/2016 10:45:41 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: Alberta's Child

At this point, she could be a florist in some other state. People might even donate to her for that purpose.

However, even losing the right thing can mean winning it in a different forum. Dred Scott helped hasten the end of slavery.


14 posted on 11/03/2016 10:47:12 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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Comparing an abuse of power with a natural series of events isn't really a good comparison.

Calling the police when someone is breaking into your house might help, but blowing the perp's brains out will actually save your life.

15 posted on 11/03/2016 10:51:04 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("Yo, bartender -- Jobu needs a refill!")
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To: HiTech RedNeck
That's why I'd rather go to jail than pay a penny in fines or legal fees.

Notice how quickly the persecution of Kim Davis in that Kentucky "gay marriage" case ended once the Federal judge put her in jail? Even the plaintiffs in that case begged him not to do it, because they knew it would do great harm to their case.

16 posted on 11/03/2016 10:53:02 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("Yo, bartender -- Jobu needs a refill!")
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To: Alberta's Child

On the other hand, her situation probably wasn’t going to propel an issue to the USSC. It takes a court fight to do that.


17 posted on 11/03/2016 10:56:29 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: Alberta's Child

How did a completely inapt comparison get brought into this discussion? I decline to address it.


18 posted on 11/03/2016 10:57:22 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Like I said ... I would turn to my garbage collector for advice before I had any faith in courts and lawyers.

You're watching an entire civilization collapse before you ... and you're seeing it from the inside. The courts and legal processes are the first ones to become a joke.

19 posted on 11/03/2016 10:58:43 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("Yo, bartender -- Jobu needs a refill!")
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To: HiTech RedNeck
OK.

Someone who is sick is victimized by a natural chain of events.

Someone who is persecuted by diabolical homosexuals and the oppressive government at their disposal is not victimized by a natural chain of events. He's victimized by other people.

So let's stay focused on what's happening here. This is persecution, not an unfortunate set of circumstances like the example you gave of a sick person.

20 posted on 11/03/2016 11:00:57 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("Yo, bartender -- Jobu needs a refill!")
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