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Utah Republicans drop support for protest vote
KUTV - Salt Lake City ^ | 11/1/2016 | Heidi Hatch

Posted on 11/02/2016 7:33:13 AM PDT by ObozoMustGo2012

(KUTV) “Utah's six electoral college votes matter and Republicans are finally ready to unite.” Congressman Rob Bishop worked today to unite his party.

After weeks of on again, off again support for Trump -- many of Utah’s elected officials say their nominee is not as bad as they thought

“Donald Trump is no choir boy,” said Utah Senior Senator Orrin Hatch, but he knows Hillary Clinton and believes she cannot be President.

“We are not voting for the pope,” reminded another at a rally at Utah’s State Capitol. “We are voting for a President.”

Utah republicans who were bashing Trump and looking for another candidate last month are now saying the only way to preserve a conservative future for America is to vote for Trump.

Tuesday's Trump rally did not dance around Utah’s three-way split of the presidential vote as rallies in the past have tried.

“Jesus is not on the ballot! And Evan McMullin -- you are not Utah’s Savior,” the line came with chant’s for Trump.

Congressman Chris Stewart confessed to the crowd, that he voted for Trump. It is a fact that may come as a shock to many, since he demanded Trump step aside three weeks ago and let Pence lead the ticket. “The ballot mailed to me sat on my desk for a few days,” said Stewart. “l looked at it every morning and every night, but it is time for Republicans to come home.” Stewart believes the Supreme Court is one of the important issues that Utah voters should think about while voting.

Bishop admitted that he too thought about voting third party and watching the race go to the house for a vote as well, “I have those flights of fancy myself and then the alarm clock rings -- and I have to wake up.” “I even flirted a little when that tape came out just like Chris Stewart did,” said former Utah Congresswoman Enid Green Mickelson. She like many others thought, “about registering a protest vote,” but when the race tightened Mickelson said she no longer felt like protesting was an option. “It is no longer possible for someone to say I’m going to register a protest vote because my vote isn't going to matter.”

It matters she says and the thought, “I won't be responsible for either being in the White House,” is not the way to go.

Utah legislator Jake Anderegg was one of the few Utahn’s to publicly endorse Evan McMullin on the steps of the State Capitol in October, “I sat here 3 weeks ago with Evan McMullin, I stood up here on these steps” he said "And yet I’m here today, supporting Trump. In fact I voted for Trump.” Anderegg said he liked the idea of McMullin denying Clinton and Trump the chance at reaching 270 electoral votes. He changed his mind he said, When McMullin started bashing Republicans.

Bottom line, today’s rally of Republicans boomeranging their vote, comes down to “what's at stake.”

Senator Hatch said there are at least four US Supreme Court seats that could be up for grabs in the coming years. The last few years have not been good he says and “we have got to turn this mess around.” Utah's senior senator has backed Trump all along -- he has nothing against McMullin -- he just doesn't want you to vote for him.

“A vote for him is a vote for Hillary Clinton.”


TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Utah
KEYWORDS: 2016polls; clinton; elections; evanmcmullin; gotrump; hillary; mcmullin; mormonvote; nevertrump; orrinhatch; polls; trump; trumprebellion; unity; ut2016; utah
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To: treetopsandroofs

There could possibly be a mutual interest there at some point. Dunno if modern Mormons would be up for that, but Mormon revelations are flexible if nothing else.


41 posted on 11/02/2016 5:41:16 PM PDT by Pelham (Cold anger. No quarter)
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To: ObozoMustGo2012

Orrin Grant Hatch should talk: he co-sponsored the 1993 nomination of the popular Ruth Bader Ginsburg.


42 posted on 11/02/2016 6:22:53 PM PDT by Theodore R. (Trump-Pence, 2016)
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To: JamesP81

“Consider that he has lived many decades in the public eye and has had a great deal of wealth during that time. Temptations are paraded in front of him daily.

In all that time, the very worst thing anyone has been able to come up with and substantiate is the Billy Bush tape. That’s it. Frankly, given the environment he exists in, that is a remarkably clean record. “

Amen.

I remember, I think it was Jim Sundberg, talking about how he and other guys on the Texas Rangers in the late ‘70’s would go to the hotel and find the room had a naked woman already in the bed waiting for them. The Texas Rangers Baseball players in the 1970’s were no where near as rich as Trump


43 posted on 11/02/2016 11:12:20 PM PDT by Fai Mao (PIAPS for Prison 2016)
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To: ObozoMustGo2012
“We are not voting for the pope,” reminded another at a rally at Utah’s State Capitol. “We are voting for a President.”

Whom ever said this; posts on FR!

44 posted on 11/03/2016 3:09:17 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: stonehouse01; pgkdan
“...even three way split...”

Of COURSE a person in UTAH (62.2% MORMON) is going to tell an unknown 'pollster' voice on the phone that they are going to vote for the MORMON in the race!

Or at LEAST the Republican!


In the booth; the results will; I'd dare say; be a wee bit different.

45 posted on 11/03/2016 3:12:48 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ObozoMustGo2012
And Evan McMullin -- you are not Utah’s Savior,”

Of COURSE not!!


What Joseph Smith Means to Us  (From: various sources )

 
 
 

"He (Joseph Smith) is the man through whom God has spoken... yet I would not like to call him a savior, though in a certain capacity he was a god to us, and is to the nations of the earth, and will continue to be."
- Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses 8:321
 
 
 
 
"You call us fools; but the day will be, gentlemen and ladies, whether you belong to this Church or not, when you will prize brother Joseph Smith as the Prophet of the Living God, and look upon him as a god..."
- Herber C. Kimball, Journal of Discourses 5:88
 
 
 
 
"If we get our salvation, we shall have to pass by him [Joseph Smith]; if we enter our glory, it will be through the authority he has received. We cannot get around him [Joseph Smith]"
- (as quoted in 1988 Melchizedek Priesthood Study Guide, p. 142)
There is "no salvation without accepting Joseph Smith. If Joseph Smith was verily a prophet, and if he told the truth...no man can reject that testimony without incurring the most dreadful consequences, for he cannot enter the kingdom of God"
- Joseph Fielding Smith, Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 1, p.190
 
 
 
 
"I tell you, Joseph holds the keys, and none of us can get into the celestial kingdom without passing by him. We have not got rid of him, but he stands there as the sentinel, holding the keys of the kingdom of God; and there are many of them beside him. I tell you, if we get past those who have mingled with us, and know us best, and have a right to know us best, probably we can pass all other sentinels as far as it is necessary, or as far as we may desire. But I tell you, the pinch will be with those that have mingled with us, stood next to us, weighed our spirits, tried us, and proven us: there will be a pinch, in my view, to get past them. The others, perhaps, will say, If brother Joseph is satisfied with you, you may pass. If it is all right with him, it is all right with me. Then if Joseph shall say to a man, or if brother Brigham say to a man, I forgive you your sins, "Whosoever sins ye remit they are remitted unto them;" if you who have suffered and felt the weight of transgression—if you have generosity enough to forgive the sinner, I will forgive him: you cannot have more generosity than I have. I have given you power to forgive sins, and when the Lord gives a gift, he does not take it back again."
- Orson Hyde, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 6, p.154-155
 
 
 
 
"It is because the Lord called Joseph Smith that salvation is again available to mortal men.... If it had not been for Joseph Smith and the restoration, there would be no salvation,"
- Bruce McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, p. 396, 670


They succeeded in killing Joseph, but he had finished his work.
He was a servant of God, and gave us the Book of Mormon.
He said the Bible was right in the main, but, through the translators and others, many precious portions were suppressed, and several other portions were wrongly translated; and now his testimony is in force, for he has sealed it with his blood.
As I have frequently told them, no man in this dispensation will enter the courts of heaven, without the approbation of the Prophet Joseph Smith, Jun.
Who has made this so?
Have I?
Have this people?
Have the world?
No; but the Lord Jehovah has decreed it.
If I ever pass into the heavenly courts, it will be by the consent of the Prophet Joseph.
If you ever pass through the gates into the Holy City, you will do so upon his certificate that you are worthy to pass.
Can you pass without his inspection?
No; neither can any person in this dispensation, which is the dispensation of the fulness of times.
In this generation, and in all the generations that are to come, everyone will have to undergo the scrutiny of this Prophet.
They say that they killed Joseph, and they will yet come with their hats under their arms and bend to him; but what good will it do them, unless they repent?
They can come in a certain way and find favor, but will they?
Brigham Young,

--JOURNAL OF DISCOURSES, vol. 8, p. 224


46 posted on 11/03/2016 3:14:50 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: bigbob
For now.

They can handle it.

Their scripture says so!!!


The

DOCTRINE AND COVENANTS

OF THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS

SECTION 71

Revelation given to Joseph Smith the Prophet and Sidney Rigdon, at Hiram, Ohio, December 1, 1831. HC 1: 238–239. The Prophet had continued to translate the Bible with Sidney Rigdon as his scribe until this revelation was received, at which time it was temporarily laid aside so as to enable them to fulfill the instruction given herein. The brethren were to go forth to preach in order to allay the unfriendly feelings that had developed against the Church as a result of the publication of some newspaper articles by Ezra Booth, who had apostatized.

1–4, Joseph Smith and Sidney Rigdon are sent forth to proclaim the gospel; 5–11, Enemies of the saints shall be confounded.

1 Behold, thus saith the Lord unto you my servants Joseph Smith, Jun., and Sidney Rigdon, that the time has verily come that it is necessary and expedient in me that you should open your mouths in proclaiming my gospel, the things of the kingdom, expounding the mysteries thereof out of the scriptures, according to that portion of Spirit and power which shall be given unto you, even as I will.

2 Verily I say unto you, proclaim unto the world in the regions round about, and in the church also, for the space of a season, even until it shall be made known unto you.

3 Verily this is a mission for a season, which I give unto you.

4 Wherefore, labor ye in my vineyard. Call upon the inhabitants of the earth, and bear record, and prepare the way for the commandments and revelations which are to come.

5 Now, behold this is wisdom; whoso readeth, let him understand and receive also;

6 For unto him that receiveth it shall be given more abundantly, even power.

7 Wherefore, confound your enemies; call upon them to meet you both in public and in private; and inasmuch as ye are faithful their shame shall be made manifest.

8 Wherefore, let them bring forth their strong reasons against the Lord.

9 Verily, thus saith the Lord unto you—there is no weapon that is formed against you shall prosper;

10 And if any man lift his voice against you he shall be confounded in mine own due time.

11 Wherefore, keep my commandments; they are true and faithful. Even so. Amen.

 

47 posted on 11/03/2016 3:17:11 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Pelham
I’m pretty sure that it’s Mormon church leadership that’s responsible.

OH... no....


http://www.mormonnewsroom.org/official-statement/political-neutrality

48 posted on 11/03/2016 3:28:11 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: stonehouse01
Do the Mormons adhere to the tenth commandment? If so, Romney needs to take a long hard look at it.

Heck; they don't even follow their OWN scripture!


"Now if any of you will deny the plurality of wives, and continue to do so, I promise that you will be damned;

and I will go still further and say, take this revelation, or any other revelation that the Lord has given,

and deny it in your feelings, and I promise that you will be damned.

Brigham Young - JoD 3:266 (July 14, 1855)



D&C 119:4 And after that, those who have thus been tithed shall pay one-tenth of all their interest annually; and this shall be a standing law unto them...
 

The Doctrine and Covenants

Section 132

Revelation given through Joseph Smith the Prophet, at Nauvoo, Illinois, recorded 12 July 1843, relating to the new and everlasting covenant, including the eternity of the marriage covenant, and also the plurality of wives (see History of the Church, 5:501–7). Although the revelation was recorded in 1843, it is evident from the historical records that the doctrines and principles involved in this revelation had been known by the Prophet since 1831.

1–6, Exaltation is gained through the new and everlasting covenant; 7–14, The terms and conditions of that covenant are set forth; 15–20, Celestial marriage and a continuation of the family unit enable men to become gods; 21–25, The strait and narrow way leads to eternal lives; 26–27, The law is given relative to blasphemy against the Holy Ghost; 28–39, Promises of eternal increase and exaltation are made to prophets and Saints in all ages; 40–47, Joseph Smith is given the power to bind and seal on earth and in heaven; 48–50, The Lord seals upon him his exaltation; 51–57, Emma Smith is counseled to be faithful and true; 58–66, Laws governing the plurality of wives are set forth.



1 Verily, thus saith the Lord unto you my servant Joseph, that inasmuch as you have inquired of my hand to know and understand wherein I, the Lord, justified my servants Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, as also Moses, David and Solomon, my servants, as touching the principle and doctrine of their having many awives and bconcubines

2 Behold, and lo, I am the Lord thy God, and will answer thee as touching this matter.

3 Therefore, aprepare thy heart to receive and bobey the instructions which I am about to give unto you; for all those who have this law revealed unto them must obey the same.

4 For behold, I reveal unto you a new and an everlasting acovenant; and if ye abide not that covenant, then are ye bdamned; for no one can creject this covenant and be permitted to enter into my glory.

5 For all who will have a ablessing at my hands shall abide the blaw which was appointed for that blessing, and the conditions thereof, as were instituted from before the foundation of the world.

6And as pertaining to the new and aeverlasting covenant, it was instituted for the fulness of my bglory; and he that receiveth a fulness thereof must and shall abide the law, or he shall be damned, saith the Lord God.

 

 

 

 

58Now, as touching the law of the apriesthood, there are many things pertaining thereunto.

59Verily, if a man be called of my Father, as was aAaron, by mine own voice, and by the voice of him that bsent me, and I have endowed him with the ckeys of the power of this priesthood, if he do anything in my name, and according to my law and by my word, he will not commit dsin, and I will justify him.

60Let no one, therefore, set on my servant Joseph; for I will justify him; for he shall do the sacrifice which I require at his hands for his transgressions, saith the Lord your God.

61And again, as pertaining to the law of the priesthood—if any man espouse a virgin, and desire to espouse aanother, and the first give her consent, and if he espouse the second, and they are virgins, and have vowed to no other man, then is he justified; he cannot commit adultery for they are given unto him; for he cannot commit adultery with that that belongeth unto him and to no one else.

62And if he have aten virgins given unto him by this law, he cannot commit adultery, for they belong to him, and they are given unto him; therefore is he justified.

63But if one or either of the ten virgins, after she is espoused, shall be with another man, she has committed adultery, and shall be destroyed; for they are given unto him to amultiply and replenish the earth, according to my commandment, and to fulfil the promise which was given by my Father before the foundation of the world, and for their exaltation in the eternal worlds, that they may bear the souls of men; for herein is the work of my Father continued, that he may be bglorified.

64And again, verily, verily, I say unto you, if any man have a wife, who holds the keys of this power, and he teaches unto her the law of my priesthood, as pertaining to these things, then shall she believe and administer unto him, or she shall be destroyed, saith the Lord your God; for I will destroy her; for I will magnify my name upon all those who receive and abide in my law.

65Therefore, it shall be lawful in me, if she receive not this law, for him to receive all things whatsoever I, the Lord his God, will give unto him, because she did not believe and administer unto him according to my word; and she then becomes the transgressor; and he is exempt from the law of Sarah, who administered unto Abraham according to the law when I commanded Abraham to take aHagar to wife.

66And now, as pertaining to this law, verily, verily, I say unto you, I will reveal more unto you, hereafter; therefore, let this suffice for the present. Behold, I am Alpha and Omega. Amen.


49 posted on 11/03/2016 3:33:08 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

“...in the booth...different...”

By different do you mean that they will vote for the Mormon spoiler or go Trump?


50 posted on 11/03/2016 5:45:57 AM PDT by stonehouse01
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To: stonehouse01; Elsie

I’m getting that Elsie means that the average Mormon has a lot more political sense than some of their ‘leaders’.

And while publicly they will voice support for Egg McMuffin, that once they are in the privacy of the voting booth there is no way in hell that they are willing to risk a Hillary Clinton presidency.


51 posted on 11/03/2016 6:54:06 AM PDT by Pelham (Cold anger. No quarter)
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To: stonehouse01

I ‘mean’ neither.

What I infer is that they’ll say one thing and then do a other; especially if they do NOT know to whom they are talking.


52 posted on 11/03/2016 7:47:26 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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