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Luntz Focus Group: Trump Won The Debate, But It Was Close
Townhall.com ^ | October 19, 2016 | Katie Pavlich

Posted on 10/19/2016 8:21:06 PM PDT by Kaslin

The final presidential debate of the 2016 presidential election is over and according to pollster Frank Luntz and his focus group, Trump was the winner of tonight's debate. That being said, it was close.

href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/DebateNight?src=hash">#DebateNight pic.twitter.com/jDV5RP9eno— Frank Luntz (@FrankLuntz) October 20, 2016

The other winner of the night is moderator Chris Wallace, who did an excellent job managing the candidates, asking questions and staying out of the debate as a contestant.

Chris Wallace is hands down the best moderator of the cycle, bravo #debates— Katie Pavlich (@KatiePavlich) October 20, 2016



TOPICS: Breaking News; Culture/Society; Front Page News; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2016debates; debate; donaldtrump; finaldebate; hillary; hillaryrottenclinton; luntz; luntzfocusgroup; trump; trumphillarydebate3
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To: Mad Dawgg

We won’t have to. The actual polling data is showing the beginnings of a Trump preference cascade.


121 posted on 10/19/2016 10:07:04 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: Rokke

Lets get Bezos to drone him over some Tums STAT!


122 posted on 10/19/2016 10:07:35 PM PDT by Anti-Hillary (Soon everything in America will be "free", except it's people.)
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To: nathanbedford

Cruz lost, get over it.


123 posted on 10/19/2016 10:08:28 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration (Pr 14:34 Righteousness exalteth a nation:but sin is a reproach to any people)
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To: Girlene
The question is, especially for Donald Trump's performance, what does "win" mean?

If the question is, did he rally the base? Yes, he won.

If the question is, did he do better than the first debate? Yes, he won.

If the question is, did he modeled himself after Gov. Pence debating technique, yes and no. I agree, in the first half hour of the debate he moderated his voice and refrained from interrupting at his usual pace. But he abandoned the Mike Pence Technique and reverted to the interruptions (which seem to be the most offputting debate losing gaffe of all to the public) and personal attacks which, as I said, appealed to the base but not to the women in the audience.

If the question is, did he to overcome his deficit in the polls, did he do enough to run the table of battleground states which he simply must do to get to 270? No, he did not win.

The whole question for Donald Trump has been whether he is temperamentally fit for office. The bulk of the public had been ready to fire Hillary Clinton because they know what she is but they did not know what Donald Trump was. All he had to do in these debates was appear presidential, to exhibit the kind of gravitas that we expect in the leader of the free world, to reassure women that he is a responsible adult. If he had done this, he would easily beat Hillary Clinton.

In the debates then, Trump did not need to win all the points, he needed only make reasonable arguments in a modulated tone and appear presidential to become the next president.

I ask for your verdict on that issue, we know what the polls tell us the public's verdict is as shaped by the first two debates and by the campaign as well as Hillary's air blitz of negative campaign ads.


124 posted on 10/19/2016 10:11:44 PM PDT by nathanbedford (attack, repeat, attack!Â… Bull Halsey)
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To: fortheDeclaration
It is not I who has brought up Ted Cruz on this thread but about three other FReepers besides yourself. I suppose one diverts to a personal attack on the messenger if the message is unpleasant.


125 posted on 10/19/2016 10:15:57 PM PDT by nathanbedford (attack, repeat, attack!Â… Bull Halsey)
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To: Girlene
Are you voting for Trump?

I pledged my support to Trump as the winner of the nomination long before he won the nomination and I intend to continue to support Trump.


126 posted on 10/19/2016 10:20:51 PM PDT by nathanbedford (attack, repeat, attack!Â… Bull Halsey)
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To: nathanbedford

We don’t have to bring up Cruz to see his supporters still clinging to their lost dream of Cruz in the WH, while attacking Trump every chance they get.


127 posted on 10/19/2016 10:22:41 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration (Pr 14:34 Righteousness exalteth a nation:but sin is a reproach to any people)
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To: nathanbedford
If the question is, did he to overcome his deficit in the polls...

Myself, I'm not one to trust the polls one way or the other.

But since you seem to believe the polls, why are you ignoring the latest IBD and Rasmussen polls (and a couple others) that have Trump tied or ahead?

128 posted on 10/19/2016 10:24:00 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: Just mythoughts
Megan Kelly is a media tramp... gossip is she rolls around in the hay with dirty old geezers climbing that ladder to success.

I have heard of situational ethics but this appears to be situational morality.


129 posted on 10/19/2016 10:24:38 PM PDT by nathanbedford (attack, repeat, attack!Â… Bull Halsey)
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To: nathanbedford

Yes, Megan is situational.


130 posted on 10/19/2016 10:28:21 PM PDT by Just mythoughts (Jesus said Luke 17:32 Remember Lot's wife.)
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To: Talisker

More to the point, Hillary did NOT win. At all.

Which, in this current political environment makes Trump a huge winner.

Trust me ... everyone knows it. :)


131 posted on 10/19/2016 10:28:57 PM PDT by Ladysforest (Racism, misogyny, bigotry, xenophobia and vulgarity - with just a smattering of threats and violence)
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To: nathanbedford
If the question is, did he to overcome his deficit in the polls, did he do enough to run the table of battleground states which he simply must do to get to 270? No, he did not win.

I do not know if he overcame his "deficit". I DO believe he will pick up more voters in key demographics after his performance tonight.

In the debates then, Trump did not need to win all the points, he needed only make reasonable arguments in a modulated tone and appear presidential to become the next president.

I ask for your verdict on that issue.....


I believe Trump did all those things. Was it enough to become the next president? We will find out on November 8.

I have probably been more critical than most on FR on his performance in the first two debates. He didn't do horrible in them, but I worried if he appealed to enough new voters. Tonight, he did very well. His base will be happy, but more importantly, he picked up voters (IMO, of course). Will it be enough?....I do not know. I pray so.

Regardless of who we think "won" the debate.....vote for Trump. The alternative is Hillary.
132 posted on 10/19/2016 10:30:57 PM PDT by Girlene
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To: FreeReign
Because the accumulated weight of the polls is to the contrary. I believe in the averages to be more reliable even considering the history of the last election.

But let us assume that I am wrong, that the polls you cite which show a virtual tie or Trump slightly behind are accurate, the situation even so it is not much improved for Trump because of his daunting task of overcoming the Democrat advantage in the electoral college. Trump must virtually run the table of the battleground states, if he stumbles in the wrong place, or stumbles twice virtually anywhere, he loses. With the polls you cite, Trump runs a very high risk of failing to put together 270.

A loss in Florida would be fatal, a loss in North Carolina nearly fatal. Do you like his numbers in those states? Do you like his numbers in the other battleground states? Are you sure he will stumble or do you believe the odds are that he will somewhere?


133 posted on 10/19/2016 10:31:51 PM PDT by nathanbedford (attack, repeat, attack!Â… Bull Halsey)
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To: nathanbedford; gaijin

>> Lots of self-delusion going on here,

Battles aren’t won by way of strident sobriety.


134 posted on 10/19/2016 10:33:29 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: Kaslin

I hate focus groups. Worst kind of research available.


135 posted on 10/19/2016 10:33:40 PM PDT by stocksthatgoup (When the MSM wants your opinion, they will give it to you)
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To: Girlene
vote for Trump. The alternative is Hillary.

Second that.


136 posted on 10/19/2016 10:35:18 PM PDT by nathanbedford (attack, repeat, attack!Â… Bull Halsey)
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To: nathanbedford
I pledged my support to Trump as the winner of the nomination long before he won the nomination and I intend to continue to support Trump.

I dare say "support" is a bit of a stretch unless the act of voting fulfills your definition of support.

You have been consistently passive-aggressive since Trump locked up the nomination.

I think the theory that voters know Hillary is a scoundrel, but don't trust Trump to be "Presidential" enough (as opposed to Hillary herself) is brittle and pale.

At this point, I am far more concerned with the integrity of the process than I am about who enjoys more credibility.

137 posted on 10/19/2016 10:35:40 PM PDT by papertyger
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To: nathanbedford

Good to hear...same here.


138 posted on 10/19/2016 10:36:29 PM PDT by Girlene
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To: gaijin

This effect is getting more severe. Crowder had a good explanation on it based on social media. When you “like” something, all of the ad trackers log that and all of the search engines and portals begin to show only those things that you “like”. Eventually we get to a point where almost all politically active Americans are only seeing what they want to see and reinforcing their beliefs. It’s become highly noticeable on this site.


139 posted on 10/19/2016 10:38:31 PM PDT by douginthearmy
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To: Gene Eric
Battles aren’t won by way of strident sobriety.

Sobriety without the stridency can win battles but self-delusion is the sure and certain path to defeat.


140 posted on 10/19/2016 10:40:49 PM PDT by nathanbedford (attack, repeat, attack!Â… Bull Halsey)
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