Posted on 08/10/2016 12:09:16 PM PDT by Kaslin
Many of my close friends in the conservative movement are NeverTrumpers. As a result, I find myself in an awkward position. The NeverTrumpers are appealing to their conservative friends based on emotional claims that I recognize as false, deluded, and selfish. One friend said, "Who wins the election does not matter as much as the need to vote one's conscience." This statement is stunningly prideful and childish. The voting booth is not a ride at Six Flags, and elections are not part of a consumer experiences. The White House is not Burger King, where you get things your way.
Of course who wins the election is more important than your precious conscience or how you feel about voting. Your country matters more than you do. Has America become so weak and self-absorbed that people no longer understand what it means to say, "It's not all about you, honey"?
I guess that's why I could never be a libertarian.
Part of the impasse between me and NeverTrumper friends is that they have never actually sat down and listened to the full horrors that I endured firsthand, which make it undeniable to me that this election is about stopping Hillary Clinton and saving America. Some games are won by offense, and others are won by defense; elections follow that pattern. We have to vote against things sometimes.
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You need to find new friends, Robert.
NeverTrumpers are full of excrement. All of them. If they voted for McCain and/or Romney, they are utterly without integrity.
My stance is this.
You don’t go into battle with the army you want, you go into battle with the army you have....And like it or not, Trump is the army we have....and we need to fight the best we can.
I refused to vote for McCain, but then I don’t think he would have been much better than Obama. Some? For sure.
McCain has advocated for the arming of U. S. hating terrorists. How much worse can it get?
Consciences aren’t inherently bad things, but they can be focused on inappropriate objects.
The problem is a fundamental misunderstanding of what a political vote constitutes.
It certainly does not constitute a heartfelt wish to God that each and every thing the entity receiving the vote wishes should become the new status quo.
Some people are so concerned about how superficial things make them look to God that they never see what lies beyond.
A political vote is a prudential act. Some people and some countries don’t have one at all; does this make them better people? If the political life of the country is a journey, and the goal is to get from the status quo of point A to point B, then anything closer to point B than point A is must represent an improvement.
Everybody has his or her own picky point, it seems.
Who thinks of overall country? McCain likely would not have opened up floodgates to arming US hating terrorists as wide as Obama has.
I held my nose for both McCain and Romney. I am much more enthusiastic about Trump, despite his flaws. I attribute most of that to being a political neophyte. The price you pay for not having a career politician, I suppose. But he’s got a heck of a lot more upside potential than Hillary, we know what she is.
Their conscience is all they will have left that they truly ‘own’ if we lose this one. At some point thereafter, it will be of little comfort.
Neocon circles, for sure.
This is true. Think of all the times we have held our noses to vote for the likes of Dole, MaCain and Romney. Even some whom we voted for entusiastically like W betrayed us and tried to pass amnesty. Imagine Jeb as the nominee, whose platform would have been identical to Hillary's. And these NeverTrumpers are too "pure" to vote for Trump? Those people make me wanna puke.
They are not conservatives.
McCain had some misguided idea there were good and bad terrorists. He is a moron on the subject.
His advocacy for arming the Muslim Brotherhood and al Qaeda, as well as giving them funds, IMO was probably integral to the formation of ISIS.
McCain has had a major screw loose in his decision making process clear back into the 80s.
If you look at his life, he had a screw loose clear back to his childhood.
Don Trump has never run or held office. One has to wonder what NeverTrumpers are basing their beliefs on. Personally, I think it’s just a guise of wanting Clinton to win.
“You don’t go into battle with the army you want, you go into battle with the army you have....And like it or not, Trump is the army we have....and we need to fight the best we can.”
This is a fair deal, and basically the one I’m going with. I do however expect that when/if Ted Cruz wins his primary, that the over the top anti-Ted freepers will honor the same deal.
I could not in good conscience vote for McCain. Believe me, I didn’t want Obama either, but what do you do when both men are clearly unfit to be president. That’s what I did.
I voted for Romney, but I sure debated it up until the end.
McCain is pure evil. I’ve seldom see a man less fit to be president. Bill Clinton, Obama, and Hillary are three that are as bad/worse, but McCain is the second worst we’ve had run IMO.
Is this not the fallacy of believing, that if you can heap enough damnation on a person, prudential considerations are eclipsed?
Obama is impure evil then?
This is the problem of total black and white thinking. You’ll miss the actual checkered pattern. When God promises to set a table in the presence of your enemies, He does not say the Ritz-Carlton will cater it.
I give thanks every day that Trump is NOT a “professional politician”...He talks as most Americans would talk (see his overwhelming support outside the beltway)...
He doesn’t give us that smarmy mirror practiced politispeak we have long gotten from the “professional politicians”...
IMO, he speaks from the heart and has the country’s interests at heart (a strong America is also great for his businesses)...
Way too many people have gotten so used to the politispeak that they don’t realize how good for the country he would be....
Trump is not coming pretending to be a king, but a negotiator.
I think a lot of FRites are looking for a self contained king. This is not even the Constitutional model. The Constitutional model is one of checks, balances, and consensuses.
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