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{vanity} For all the Trumpsters
self (vanity) | 04/27/16 | Neil E. Wright

Posted on 04/27/2016 10:27:56 PM PDT by Neil E. Wright

I have a message for all the Trumpsters. Your behavior and antics in the past couple of months, and the antics of your "savior", The Donald, have made my decision about who to vote for, and who NOT to vote for in November easy.

If your guy is the nominee for the Republican Party, he WILL lose in November, and YOU WILL OWN IT. Because I will NEVER vote for that statist socialist, parasitic, steaming pile of obama.

Now, I've been told that JimRob is banning anyone who states publicly that they will not vote for trump. So be it. I have enjoyed Jim's friendship for many years, and I'll be sorry to lose it, but I WILL NOT surrender my principles that easily. Herewith is an article by Herschel Smith, that encapsulates my thoughts.

Trump’s Lies And Triangulation

I have said for a very long time to my family and others that the experience of parents having and raising children isn’t really about the children.  God will handle the children as He sees fit.  It’s about the parents, and there are two experiences that test your mettle more than any other: marriage and children.  It’s one of God’s way of sanctifying His own, but it has the opposite affect on others.

One reason I care about the election cycle isn’t because I think we can make a difference.  Oh, we can in some ways, we can’t in others.  We can make a difference in the medical care situation in the country, but we can’t in the global financial system.  This discussion is saved for another time.  But one thing the individual vote does at one and the same time is affect the soul and show the content of the soul of the voter.  It’s a deeply moral act that has eternal consequences for the one who is given stewardship of the vote.

Now let me turn for a moment to a recent commentary by Jonah Goldberg.  Sometimes I disagree vehemently with him, but other times he hits on all cylinders.  This day the engine was running to perfection on the dynamometer.

This week there have been some cracks in the façade. Trump’s attacks on Heidi Cruz unsettled even Ann Coulter. And his abortion remarks are still sending tremors through the granite foundations of Trump can-do-no-wrong-ism. Joe Scarborough and Breitbart’s John Nolte are talking about what a bad week he’s having and gravely warning Trump to get his act together. As Jim Geraghty has been writing, the problem with such second thoughts is the assumption that something is amiss with Trump or his campaign. This is Trump. This is his campaign. The Trump we see before us is the same Trump. It’s a bit like when Barack Obama said that the Jeremiah Wright he saw denouncing America wasn’t the man he knew. That was nonsense. Obama knew exactly who Wright was, having attended his church for 20 years. It was only when Wright’s act moved to a larger national stage that all of a sudden he became inconvenient to Obama.

The analogy isn’t perfect, of course. But the basic point is the same. The Donald Trump of the last week is the exact same Donald Trump many of us saw a year ago or five years ago. He’s always been full of sh*t. He’s always been a total ignoramus when it comes to public policy, lacking the simple sense of patriotic duty to do his homework on the issues. He’s always been a nasty and boorish cad. He’s always pretended to be a conservative while working on liberal assumptions of what conservatives want to hear.

His “punish the women” comments were of a piece with his refusal to condemn the Klan on CNN. It’s not that he wants to punish women who have abortions — I’d bet he’s paid more abortion bills than he will ever sign — it’s that he thinks that’s what pro-lifers want to hear. It’s not that he’s a Klansman or that the pillowcases at Mara Lago come with eyeholes cut out in advance. It’s that Trump thinks lots of his fans like the Klan and he wants to pander to them. I have heard first-hand stories from people who’ve worked with Trump about how he disparages women’s appearance routinely. That’s who he is. If you’re attacking him because he retweeted a bad picture of Heidi, that’s not you being principled, it’s you getting cold feet. Indeed, I am sure that the same opportunism that has caused so many supposedly principled conservatives to hitch their wagons to Trump is now causing some of them to question their choices, not because Trump has changed but because the climate might be changing around them. By all means, if Trump continues to unravel (a huge if), please abandon Trump. But don’t think for a moment that the rest of us will automatically take your word for it when you say this or that statement changed your mind about the man. He hasn’t changed, your calculations have.

[ … ]

Like all demagogues, he’s using his lies as a loyalty test for his followers. He’s exploiting his popularity and abusing the devotion of his fans to force them into going along with his fictions, until they are in so deep psychologically, they have no choice but to carry on. It’s an ancient psychological tactic of authoritarians, Mafia dons, and the like: Force your followers into sharing the blame for your misdeeds so that they can’t break ranks.

Jonah is right.  He thinks we want to see women who have gotten abortions in the town center in stocks and chains.  He’s pandering to the social right, but he missed on this, and he missed badly.  His other positions – support for the second amendment, advocacy for closed borders – can only be assumed to be pandering as well.

Not to worry, though.  Just about as soon as he said it, he triangulated his position again, to something like abortion laws are already set and we have to leave it that way.  Trumps views on abortion aren’t the topic here.  Trump is the topic.  He is a mirror in which everyone sees what he or she wants to see, its just that the mirror has to be adjusted based on the onlooker and Trump isn’t really as good a triangulator as he is made out to be.

And that brings me to the conservative voters who have already cast their votes for Trump in the primaries heretofore.  Do you remember when socialized medicine was the most important thing about the Obama administration, the holy grail of the progressives?  It still is.

And yet, you have jettisoned that most important piece of your world view to support a man who sees things far differently than you, who supports socialized medicine, and who has said that the only thing he would change about the current system is to allow it to cross state lines.

Trump has woven you into his deception, his lies, his evil.  And when socialized medicine is codified and solidified for you, your children, and your children’s children to the tenth generation of your progeny, when you see that your seed will hate you and this generation for what has been done to the country, it will be far too late.

Open wide, and suck it down.  This is what you voted for, whether in the end it’s Hillary or Trump, or some replacement for Hillary.  Own it.  It’s yours.  The Mafia don asked you to pull the trigger and do the deed.  It’s no longer about him.  Now it’s about you.


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To: Neil E. Wright
Adios, Au Revior, Aufweidersehn


121 posted on 04/27/2016 11:23:35 PM PDT by gg188 (Ted Cruz, R - Goldman Sachs)
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To: Neil E. Wright

So, you are going to reject a candidate, Trump, that:

A. Is a natural born citizen

B. Will protect the 2nd Amendment

C. Will repeal and replace Obamacare

D. Build a wall at the southern border to stop the flow of illegals and drugs from Mexico

E. Stop the flow of Muslim “refugees” into our country

F. Bring fiscal sanity back to government

G. Fix our horrible trade deals

H. Get our vets the care they need and deserve

I. Put America first in foreign affairs

J. Rebuild our military

in favor of what, not voting at all?

Put your head in the sand in the most important election of your lifetime since 1980?

I’m not buying your pity party, Neil.

You want to be a sunshine patriot, then opus out and be up front about it.

But don’t give us that line about I have no candidate so I will pick none of the above.


122 posted on 04/27/2016 11:23:44 PM PDT by exit82 (Road Runner sez:" Let's Make America Beeping Great Again! Beep! Beep!")
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To: onyx

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qF8jdEBnL7g


123 posted on 04/27/2016 11:26:21 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (Freep mail me if you want to be on my Fingerstyle Acoustic Guitar Ping list.)
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To: cornfedcowboy
I'm a Trump supporter. And yes, If Ted Cruz by some earth-shaking miracle was to end up the nominee, I would vote for him.

Boy would that be a wasted vote.

124 posted on 04/27/2016 11:26:38 PM PDT by 60Gunner (The price of apathy towards public affairs is to be ruled by evil men. - Plato)
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To: cornfedcowboy

“I don’t understand the crude raving anger towards Cruz from Trump supporters.”

Then you haven’t been paying attention these last nine months.

Many (if not most) of us Trumpsters were Cruzers, early on. Unfortunately for Ted, many honest conservative voters are not so in thrall to any candidate, that we’re incapable of vetting our candidates on the fly, and re-adjusting our support according to new and previously unknown facts and observations about those who seek our votes.

Ted was welcomed with open arms by most conservatives when he entered the race. We would have followed wherever he led, had he proven himself to be a real leader, and had said and done the sort of things conservatives look for, throughout this race.

But he didn’t. Ted made far too many errors in the areas that really count. I’m talking areas that show a person’s character. You can’t fake that sort of thing, and I’m afraid Ted failed the test too many times for many of us.


125 posted on 04/27/2016 11:26:49 PM PDT by Windflier (Pitchforks and torches ripen on the vine. Left too long, they become black rifles.)
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To: Osage Orange

Frankly I have been disappointed with every candidate and every election since 92. If Trump does 10% of what he promises, its better than anyone else has done.


126 posted on 04/27/2016 11:27:09 PM PDT by reaganaut (I am not "reaganaut1". He's a Cruzer, I'm a Trump gal.)
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To: Neil E. Wright

So you are telling me that if an American women went to Britain in 1790 and had a son sired by King George the founders would have considered the child a natural born citizen of the USA? Ridicules.


127 posted on 04/27/2016 11:28:34 PM PDT by jpsb (Never believe anything in politics until it has been officially denied. Otto von Bismark)
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To: P-Marlowe

That was awesome!


128 posted on 04/27/2016 11:28:58 PM PDT by Osage Orange (The GOPe.....are actually worse than the Dim's)
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To: exit82
Your post needed to be repeated because it is so spot on and reflects exactly what I have seen as well:

Trump is more of a conservative than that fraud Cruz is.

Cruz is an insider, and has deceived so many people into thinking he is some kind of principled Christian Constitutionalist conservative.

He is none of those things.

You have bought the circus act hook, line and sinker.

His pick of Carly Fiorina yesterday as his VP reeks of manipulation and deceit, just like the rest of his campaign.

How many of your “principles” does Cruz require you to surrender to swallow that pick?

Open your eyes.

At least Trump cares about America, far more than Cruz ever has.

He’s a globalist, and that is why he “chose” Fiorina, another globalist, doing the bidding of his GOP-E masters.

You want truth—there it is—unvarnished and real.

If Crux had any principles, he would have suspended his campaign and united behind the frontrunner in order ot unite the party and to fight the enemy, the Dems.

But no—his ego and his naked ambition will not allow him to do so.

Your money line describes Cruz to a “T”.

Cruz is a fraud that has so many people hooked in because "they want to believe!"
129 posted on 04/27/2016 11:28:59 PM PDT by zzeeman ("We can evade reality, but we cannot evade the consequences of evading reality.")
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To: Neil E. Wright
Frankly, I find your comments offensive (i.e. "open wide, and suck it down"). I, for one, won't miss you when you're gone. I've also been a FReeper more more that 17 years, and what I find most repulsive is that you are not really attacking Trump, but those of us who feel that in 2016 he is, by far, the best choice for President.

You have given yourself far too much credit and attention. As a veteran, I find you weak and were we serving together, I would ask you to go to the rear. Your comments show me you are not worthy or able to man the front lines.

Over and out!

130 posted on 04/27/2016 11:29:13 PM PDT by The Citizen Soldier ("It's always good to be underestimated." ~Donald Trump)
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To: reaganaut; proust

Well Neil did go for a Libby-like title: in honor of her “Trumpees” title, he did “Trumpsters”.

But yeah, no other Cruznadian has topped Libby’s opus.


131 posted on 04/27/2016 11:30:20 PM PDT by Vision Thing (painfully mathematically eliminaTED)
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To: reaganaut

I will say it again....we are all going to be very disappointed.


132 posted on 04/27/2016 11:30:37 PM PDT by Osage Orange (The GOPe.....are actually worse than the Dim's)
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To: Neil E. Wright

133 posted on 04/27/2016 11:31:13 PM PDT by Veracious Poet (May God Bless America)
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To: Osage Orange

Then nothing will have changed will it? In short it can only go up from here as far as expectation.


134 posted on 04/27/2016 11:31:22 PM PDT by reaganaut (I am not "reaganaut1". He's a Cruzer, I'm a Trump gal.)
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To: reaganaut

I can’t answer for the OP...but I will say this.

I hesitate to post because it’s so combative.

Just because one doesn’t does not mean they are disconnected from the forum.


135 posted on 04/27/2016 11:32:10 PM PDT by berdie (#No Hill/bern)
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To: onyx

“GOOD of P-Marlowe to facilitate the banned to another site and to keep track of the zotted.”

It’s an in-your-face dare, and pretty unbecoming of a long term member.

Trump sure has a knack for forcing the scum to the surface.


136 posted on 04/27/2016 11:32:47 PM PDT by Windflier (Pitchforks and torches ripen on the vine. Left too long, they become black rifles.)
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To: berdie

I took a 6 month self imposed hiatus last election because of Romney. I didn’t even check in.


137 posted on 04/27/2016 11:33:13 PM PDT by reaganaut (I am not "reaganaut1". He's a Cruzer, I'm a Trump gal.)
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To: Osage Orange

Yeah that’s one of my favorites.


138 posted on 04/27/2016 11:33:32 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (Freep mail me if you want to be on my Fingerstyle Acoustic Guitar Ping list.)
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To: jpsb

Thanks for the link.


139 posted on 04/27/2016 11:33:38 PM PDT by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the Occupation Media. #2ndAmendmentMatters)
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To: cornfedcowboy

Newsflash....the country doesn’t want a conservative. We’re outnumbered by the takers, and Cruz’ “message/sermon” is not what they want to hear, sadly. You definitely need to get out more, lol.


140 posted on 04/27/2016 11:34:13 PM PDT by Prince of Space (Be Breitbart, baby. LIFB.)
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