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Conscientious Objectors
Townhall.com ^ | April 22, 2016 | Mike Adams

Posted on 04/22/2016 5:21:40 AM PDT by Kaslin

The left has always had great admiration for the conscientious objector. I know something about that because I was a kid in the late 60s and early 70s when the Vietnam War was being fought. Some people refused to serve in the war because of their deeply held religious beliefs. To those on the right they were cowards. To those on the left they were heroes. As the son of a military officer I got one side of the story. As a student in the public schools I got the other.

My teachers did their best to convince me there was legitimacy in refusing military service due to deeply held religious beliefs. They had their work cut out for them given that I grew up hearing war stories as child. One grandfather was in World War I. Another was in World War II. As a child I could not imagine why someone would refuse to serve in a war due to reasons of religion. I simply could not imagine a basis for incompatibility between patriotism and religious belief.

To top it off, there was always the prospect of fraud. For those who were simply afraid to serve there was a powerful motivation to lie about one’s religious and moral convictions. How could the state adequately distinguish between those claims that had legitimacy and those that were fraudulent?

Just a few years ago, I had a chance to exercise my rights as a conscientious objector in a very different context. A friend was getting married to a woman with whom he had an extramarital affair. Put simply, he stole a man’s wife. Then he followed the misdeed with years of unrepentant sex with her outside of marriage. Eventually, he decided to marry her. And he invited me to attend the wedding.

Just prior to the wedding, my friend joked about how his bride would be so drunk at the wedding that she would likely trip and fall on the way down the aisle. My friend thought it was funny. I didn’t think it was funny. So I declined the invitation to attend his wedding. It was an easy decision although it cost me his friendship.

As a believer, how could I have done anything differently? I sincerely believed that the wedding like the relationship itself was an utter mockery of a godly institution. Surely, no true liberal would argue that I should be forced to attend. A true liberal would respect my claim as a conscientious objector.

Thankfully, the friend who invited me to his wedding did not also ask me to play my guitar during the wedding. I played at scores of weddings when I was earning my living as a professional guitarist in the 1990s. But, make no mistake: Had he invited me to perform I would have had to refuse to provide my services based on my deeply held moral and religious view that the ceremony was not God honoring.

But would a true liberal still respect my claim as a conscientious objector under the scenario where I had refused to provide services rather than merely declined an invitation to attend? Of course he would.

The refusal to provide a paid service would not render my conscientious objector claim less credible or less principled. In fact, the opposite would be true. Moreover, I would have a vastly superior moral claim than one who refuses military service as a conscientious objector. And here is the crucial moral difference:

The one who refuses to serve in the military often does so because he wants to preserve his life. The one who refuses to provide a paid service does so despite the fact that it adversely affects his livelihood.

So tell me again which of these two acts is more principled than the other? And please explain how the left could arrive at the conclusion that refusing to serve in war is an act of valor while refusing to serve at a wedding is an act of evil.

Surely even the most hardened leftist recognizes that I simply could not have been forced to perform at my friend’s traditional wedding. And if he supports equality he would be forced to arrive at the same conclusion had I refused to perform at a same-sex wedding on the basis of moral objections.

Of course, there is no need to alter the moral reasoning for those who serve weddings by baking cakes, arranging flowers, or taking pictures – as opposed to strumming a guitar. The same principles I’ve articulated apply equally to all. At least they should.

Unfortunately, the point that I am driving home reveals something sinister about this whole national conversation over LGBT rights. It is simply undeniable that this debate no longer has anything to do with coherent principles of fairness and equality. The new sexual revolutionaries have discarded those concepts altogether.

Furthermore, it is patently obvious that the left does not really support the idea of freedom of conscience. Their apparent support is never based upon principle. It is always contingent on whether they agree with the objections being expressed. This is the current reality of political warfare:

All objectors are equal. But some objectors are more equal than others.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: clause; conscience; fagrights; lgbt; military; religion
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1 posted on 04/22/2016 5:21:40 AM PDT by Kaslin
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2 posted on 04/22/2016 5:22:47 AM PDT by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him. He got them and now we have to pay the consequences)
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To: Kaslin

I wonder how many COs actually ended up in the military. I know some became medics and corpsmen and at least one became a rifleman and was the recipient of the Medal of Honor. Sgt Alvin York.


3 posted on 04/22/2016 5:32:43 AM PDT by Tupelo (we vote - THEY decide.)
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To: Kaslin

I knew “conscientious objectors” who served in Vietnam anyway, without weapons. They were the bravest of the brave.


4 posted on 04/22/2016 5:35:42 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: Tupelo

York was convinced to change his mind, so he did not serve as a CO.


5 posted on 04/22/2016 5:40:41 AM PDT by Blue Collar Christian (Ready for Teddy, Cruz that is.)
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To: Tupelo

Our family has a WWII CO. He served as a medic, and received 3 medals (I think they’re bronze stars) for his bravery during the Battle of the Bulge. He usually won’t talk about it. But my husband helped him go through his things to move into assisted living, and saw the paperwork and the medals.


6 posted on 04/22/2016 5:50:38 AM PDT by knittnmom (Save the earth! It's the only planet with chocolate!)
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To: Kaslin
The Left has never been based on principle.

Although I believe, in times of a draft, that one could refuse to serve in a combat position, there is always medical personnel that are needed.

Although, as a matter of principle, I am against a draft during peacetime, by which I mean an undeclared war that will be fougth to the enemy’s surrender or utter annihilation.

7 posted on 04/22/2016 5:53:38 AM PDT by chesley (The right to protest is not the right to disrupt.)
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To: Kaslin

If you’d become a doctor or a lawyer you wouldn’t need a reason to refuse at all.


8 posted on 04/22/2016 5:54:06 AM PDT by Buttons12 ( It Can't Happen Here -- Sinclair Lewis.)
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To: Kaslin

My dad told me if he had to go to Korea, I had to go to Viet Nam. And if I ran off to Canada like a pussy hippie, I’d better hope the MPs find me first.

The war ended before I got to age.


9 posted on 04/22/2016 5:54:59 AM PDT by WKUHilltopper (And yet...we continue to tolerate this crap...)
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To: onedoug

So did I but that changed once you realized people were trying to kill you. I was sent to the 502nd (Air Mobile) and was wounded in 71 (In the A-Shau valley) discharged in 72. What I know about the men that didn’t want to fight was they wanted to live!


10 posted on 04/22/2016 6:01:21 AM PDT by Dusty Road (")
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To: Kaslin

The last paragraph sums it up. The Left has no morals, and their only principle is power. All else is a matter of convenience.


11 posted on 04/22/2016 6:01:59 AM PDT by IronJack
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To: Kaslin

Adams makes a good point.


12 posted on 04/22/2016 6:03:28 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: onedoug

“I knew “conscientious objectors” who served in Vietnam anyway, without weapons. They were the bravest of the brave.

That’s a pant-load and don’t believe it for a second, I was there and they didn’t exist. Your’re believing a bunch of BS stories.


13 posted on 04/22/2016 6:08:52 AM PDT by Dusty Road (")
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To: WKUHilltopper
And if I ran off to Canada like a pussy hippie ...
There's nothing wrong with following your convictions, as long as you're sincere.
However, the real crime was allowing the cowards to slither back to America.
14 posted on 04/22/2016 6:17:44 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: Dusty Road

I was there too, and know one today living NY, who got shot in the ass.


15 posted on 04/22/2016 6:19:09 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: onedoug

“I was there too,”

With who?


16 posted on 04/22/2016 6:25:35 AM PDT by Dusty Road (")
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To: Tupelo
Sgt Alvin York was persuaded that his conscientious objection was based on a mistaken interpretation of the Bible.
17 posted on 04/22/2016 6:32:03 AM PDT by NorthMountain (A plague o' both your houses.)
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To: Dusty Road

1/1 Armored Cavalry, Americal Division, I Corps. Based on Hill 29, about a click off the Redball, halfway twixt Danang and Tam Ky.

‘Went back there with my daughter in 2000.


18 posted on 04/22/2016 6:32:40 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: Kaslin

At least the US Army has some pretty effective tests to determine the legitimacy of c.o. claims.

For example, fake c.o.s are usually lazy and malingerers. So if, for example, they claim to be a Quaker, they probably figure that if some Quakers vouch for them, that will be enough. Not so fast. The Army will ask them to describe the doctrines of Quakers, their history, etc. Almost no fake c.o. will pass that test.

Typically, a c.o. will claim that their faith prohibits them from killing others. But as has been pointed out, there are a LOT of non-combat jobs in the military. Even by Vietnam, combat support and combat service support outnumbered combat arms by 13 to 1. (Today that ratio is even greater.)

Which brings up the next point: even if they are forbidden to *aggessively* kill someone, are they permitted to kill someone in self defense?

Once again, it should be noted that while Quakers refused to fight, themselves, they had no problem with selling arms to combatants. This blows away any excuse that they are forbidden to do anything to *facilitate* a war or killing.

In real terms, the Army is more than willing to ship c.o.s to the combat theater and *not* put them in combat arms, like with Al Gore, who was issued a typewriter in Vietnam, and became one of the numerous REMFs (an acronym that speaks for itself.)


19 posted on 04/22/2016 6:42:00 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy ("Don't compare me to the almighty, compare me to the alternative." -Obama, 09-24-11)
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To: Tupelo
My Dad was a WW2 B24 bomber captain, a very brave man whose crew loved him.

His first two sons did not serve in VN, they refused. The oldest as a religious CO turned 18 in 1967 and was drafted and did not go.

My second oldest brother refused to serve, period. When he was drafted, he first got the 4 year deferment from going to college, then he just refused to join in around 1970.

When they finally caught up to him, the war was essentially over and he was ordered to serve 300 or so hours of community service for punishment.

Needless to say my Dad was devastated by their actions, never really talked about it, but was so confused by the unamerican actions and they were from his own blood, it must have been so hard for him.

20 posted on 04/22/2016 6:48:08 AM PDT by thirst4truth (America, What difference does it make?)
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