Liberals love to talk about Abraham because they then follow up with the statement about the supposed “Abrahamic faiths,” which they consider Judaism, Christianity and Islam.
Of course, Islam is not an “Abrahamic” faith, it is a Satanic faith.
Kasich - now a new name - who misquotes or misinterprets holy scripture - in talks or lessons or sermons to us. Sorry John but we’re not interested. ( and we’ve suffered through “fake Christians” already with carter and obsmmy. We sure don’t need a third one!
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I think very few realize the great attribute that Avraham (Abraham) and Moshe (Moses) shared.
We would not have heard about Abraham if we did not have the Torah.
Lately, Kasich has been displaying many of the idiotic and maniacal tendencies of Obama, especially in finding ways to insult and be rude to our friends.
My understanding is that Abraham was a Syrian, not a Jew. Is this incorrect?
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Read Galatians. Its all there.
Dear Lord, he’s nuts too!
Did he learn that from his father?
Aside from the impertinence of a Christian politician debating Judaism with a rabbi, one might also view Kasich’s opinion regarding the greater importance of Abraham over Moses as being mildly offensive in this context, because on reason a Christian may have for that view would be due to Abraham’s direct relationship to the covenant and prophesies that ultimately led to their fulfillment through the life and sacrifice of Jesus Christ.
While the story of Moses contains some allusions to this - through the symbolism of the Angel of Death passing over the home of those who displayed the blood of the lamb outside their door - there is no direct relationship to the coming of Christ through the story of Moses, as their is throughout the story of Abraham, not only in prophesy, but more importantly through the original covenant God gave to Abraham which formed the foundation of all events that would follow leading up to the forgiveness of sins through the Crucifixion of Christ.
Hence, Abraham is definitely the more important Old Testament figure from a Christian point of view - and therefore perhaps not a viewpoint that a Christian ought to be foisting upon a Jew.
Actually Jesus is the “star” of the Torah and if Jews really believed Moses and Abraham they’d understand that.
God held secrets to be revealed at the proper time. Abraham was given a promise, and the law in all its grandeur did not set aside that promise. It was Abraham who paid tithes to Melchizedek, King of Salem (King of Peace).
Hebrews explains the mystery and reveals the true “Priest forever, after the order of Melchizedek”.
Moses was “lovely” as a baby and I think till his death. He was chastised for striking the rock, but Scripture also accuses the people as “they made his spirit bitter”. Psalm 90 is one of the most awesome prayers ever uttered, a bittersweet ode to God by Moses. Each servant of God played their role and it all fits into His plan.
I Think, each person is where they are at in their relationship with God.
Kasich at a point where his view puts more emphasis on origin as importance - without Abe and what he did in obedience - leaving his people letting God lead him to new land, trusting God for promised son, then perhaps Moses may not have been or it may have had to happen different.
Just as some people put more emphasis on the birth of Jesus as most important because if He was not born He would not have been able to die and rise again. While others say Jesus’ death and resurrection most important biblical event, greater than His birth.
Of course a Jewish man would see it much different and see the importance of Moses more since the Torah is largely of Moses/his writings.
I’m glad Kaisch knows what he does about God and the bible and is willing to discuss with others. We are all flawed and need more help from God.
I see someone added the keyword “Putz”. Just the word I was thinking of.
Abraham had 2 sons. One named Issac and the other named Ishmael. Issac was was born to Abraham’s wife Ruth. Ishmael was born from a handmaiden who agreed to help Abraham achieve a son since his wife was not able to conceive. Finally his wife did conceive and gave birth to Issac after Ishmael was born. The Israelite’s come from the lineage of Issac and the Muslims come from the Lineage of Ishmael. Both religions come for the same Patriarchial Father. Christianity is the new and improved Jewish religion. And that’s where all the never ending hatred comes from!
I guess he never heard if the Mosaic covenant.