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1 posted on 04/13/2016 7:44:52 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

Liberals love to talk about Abraham because they then follow up with the statement about the supposed “Abrahamic faiths,” which they consider Judaism, Christianity and Islam.

Of course, Islam is not an “Abrahamic” faith, it is a Satanic faith.


2 posted on 04/13/2016 7:51:06 PM PDT by kaehurowing
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To: Olog-hai
Kasich must have been dropped on his head at birth 55.
3 posted on 04/13/2016 7:53:07 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Hey Ted, why are you taking one for the RNC/GOPe team, and not ours? Not that we don't know.)
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Kasich - now a new name - who misquotes or misinterprets holy scripture - in talks or lessons or sermons to us. Sorry John but we’re not interested. ( and we’ve suffered through “fake Christians” already with carter and obsmmy. We sure don’t need a third one!


5 posted on 04/13/2016 7:54:12 PM PDT by faithhopecharity ("Politicians are not born, they're excreted." Marcus Tullius Cicero (106 -- 43 BCE))
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To: Olog-hai
It is considered polite to argue with your host about his religion.

Not.

7 posted on 04/13/2016 7:55:54 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Proud Infidel, Gun Nut, Religious Fanatic and Freedom Fiend)
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John Kasich bantered with Haredi Orthodox Jews about which biblical figure was most significant and other lessons from the Jewish Bible. […]

“The story of the people are Abraham and God made a covenant with Abraham — not Moses!” Kasich told Ezra Friedlander, a Haredi lobbyist who was escorting Kasich through the heavily Haredi neighborhood.

Friedlander had tried to explain that for Jews, Moses is considered the most important biblical figure, and more important than the patriarchs, because he brought the law to the Jews.

I think very few realize the great attribute that Avraham (Abraham) and Moshe (Moses) shared.

8 posted on 04/13/2016 7:56:18 PM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
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John Kasich is a jackass. He has no knowledge of the Bible, if he did he would know this verse: And there arose not a prophet since in Israel like unto Moses, whom the LORD knew face to face. Deut. 34:10.
14 posted on 04/13/2016 8:09:00 PM PDT by Fungi
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Moses wrote most of the Torah, which was given him by God.

We would not have heard about Abraham if we did not have the Torah.

Lately, Kasich has been displaying many of the idiotic and maniacal tendencies of Obama, especially in finding ways to insult and be rude to our friends.

15 posted on 04/13/2016 8:09:21 PM PDT by Heart-Rest ( "Woe to those who call evil good and good evil!" Isaiah 5:20)
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My understanding is that Abraham was a Syrian, not a Jew. Is this incorrect?


18 posted on 04/13/2016 8:14:09 PM PDT by Theodore R. (I shudder to think what the American people will do on November 8, 2016.)
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ping


19 posted on 04/13/2016 8:14:42 PM PDT by timestax (American Media = Domestic Enemy)
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To: Olog-hai

Read Galatians. Its all there.


20 posted on 04/13/2016 8:15:08 PM PDT by Mercat
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To: Olog-hai

Dear Lord, he’s nuts too!


23 posted on 04/13/2016 8:17:58 PM PDT by Bogie (Just a coincidence?)
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Did he learn that from his father?


25 posted on 04/13/2016 8:19:17 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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This is a decent question for Kasich to bring up. Abraham is the more simple faith and I rather see a Christian walk as being more like his, while Moses was more tormented and could not enter the Promised Land. Moses has far more context with him in Scripture, though, and seems more “human.”
26 posted on 04/13/2016 8:20:16 PM PDT by ConservativeMind ("Humane" = "Don't pen up pets or eat meat, but allow infanticide, abortion, and euthanasia.")
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Aside from the impertinence of a Christian politician debating Judaism with a rabbi, one might also view Kasich’s opinion regarding the greater importance of Abraham over Moses as being mildly offensive in this context, because on reason a Christian may have for that view would be due to Abraham’s direct relationship to the covenant and prophesies that ultimately led to their fulfillment through the life and sacrifice of Jesus Christ.

While the story of Moses contains some allusions to this - through the symbolism of the Angel of Death passing over the home of those who displayed the blood of the lamb outside their door - there is no direct relationship to the coming of Christ through the story of Moses, as their is throughout the story of Abraham, not only in prophesy, but more importantly through the original covenant God gave to Abraham which formed the foundation of all events that would follow leading up to the forgiveness of sins through the Crucifixion of Christ.

Hence, Abraham is definitely the more important Old Testament figure from a Christian point of view - and therefore perhaps not a viewpoint that a Christian ought to be foisting upon a Jew.


34 posted on 04/13/2016 8:28:06 PM PDT by zencycler
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To: Olog-hai

Actually Jesus is the “star” of the Torah and if Jews really believed Moses and Abraham they’d understand that.


36 posted on 04/13/2016 8:30:45 PM PDT by slumber1 (Islam delenda est)
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God held secrets to be revealed at the proper time. Abraham was given a promise, and the law in all its grandeur did not set aside that promise. It was Abraham who paid tithes to Melchizedek, King of Salem (King of Peace).

Hebrews explains the mystery and reveals the true “Priest forever, after the order of Melchizedek”.

Moses was “lovely” as a baby and I think till his death. He was chastised for striking the rock, but Scripture also accuses the people as “they made his spirit bitter”. Psalm 90 is one of the most awesome prayers ever uttered, a bittersweet ode to God by Moses. Each servant of God played their role and it all fits into His plan.


38 posted on 04/13/2016 8:38:28 PM PDT by avenir (I'm pessimistic about man, but I'm optimistic about GOD!)
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I Think, each person is where they are at in their relationship with God.

Kasich at a point where his view puts more emphasis on origin as importance - without Abe and what he did in obedience - leaving his people letting God lead him to new land, trusting God for promised son, then perhaps Moses may not have been or it may have had to happen different.

Just as some people put more emphasis on the birth of Jesus as most important because if He was not born He would not have been able to die and rise again. While others say Jesus’ death and resurrection most important biblical event, greater than His birth.

Of course a Jewish man would see it much different and see the importance of Moses more since the Torah is largely of Moses/his writings.

I’m glad Kaisch knows what he does about God and the bible and is willing to discuss with others. We are all flawed and need more help from God.


39 posted on 04/13/2016 8:39:48 PM PDT by b4me
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I see someone added the keyword “Putz”. Just the word I was thinking of.


45 posted on 04/13/2016 8:50:36 PM PDT by Impy (Did you know "Hillary" spelled backwards is "Bitch"?)
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Abraham had 2 sons. One named Issac and the other named Ishmael. Issac was was born to Abraham’s wife Ruth. Ishmael was born from a handmaiden who agreed to help Abraham achieve a son since his wife was not able to conceive. Finally his wife did conceive and gave birth to Issac after Ishmael was born. The Israelite’s come from the lineage of Issac and the Muslims come from the Lineage of Ishmael. Both religions come for the same Patriarchial Father. Christianity is the new and improved Jewish religion. And that’s where all the never ending hatred comes from!


85 posted on 04/13/2016 10:16:52 PM PDT by rwoodward ("god, guns and more ammo")
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I guess he never heard if the Mosaic covenant.


93 posted on 04/13/2016 10:33:49 PM PDT by ThisLittleLightofMine
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