Well, I guess that depends on what "playing by the rules" means. Boss Tweed played by the rules, too:
The GOP has rules - not very ethical ones, but rules they be...
Posted on 04/11/2016 6:27:26 AM PDT by FR_addict
This Saturday was the district conventions for many of the NC districts. The keynote speaker was Dr. Ada Fisher, a very impressive speaker and I recommend her short book “I am a Republican” which gives the history of NC African American Republicans. She also said it was her opinion that candidates for President should be born in America.
I wasn’t sure how the process worked, but submitted myself as a delegate candidate. I wasn’t sure if anyone would second my nomination. All the GOP delegates in my county were Cruz supporters.
Someone outside my district seconded me. Each of us gave a short speech as to why we should be a delegate and who we supported.
Here are my tallies. I think he said we had 118 district delegates. Of those, 24 were submitted as district delegates to represent NC districts at the GOP convention.
6 would be chosen from the 24 to represent the district.
We were each given two minutes to speak and we were to state who we supported. I counted 8 Trump supporters from the group. 3 Kasich, 2 Rubios. The rest Cruz supporters.
The 118 delegates present could vote for 6 out of the 24.
When the votes were tallied, all the delegates selected were Cruz supporters.
Of the 6 selected, the delegate in first place had 51 votes, I think they said the last selected delegate of the six chosen had 30.
Assuming that Cruz supporters voted for Cruz, and Trump supporters voted for Trump supporters, there were probably less than 30 Trump supporters at the District convention out of the 118 attending. This is a reasonable assertion, because some of the people, who voted for me, showed me their ballots and they were almost identical to mine. Also, we had fewer Trump supporters on the list of delegates.
Also even before the delegate names were put into nomination, I noticed the guy next to me had a list of the people he planned to vote for. So the Cruz people were organized before the convention as to who would be supporting Cruz on the ballot.
The Trump campaign needs to help Trump supporters organize for the state and national convention. This is a big expense for most of us and help to find rooms with good rates and close to the convention sites would be extremely helpful. A list of Trump supporters for the coming state convention would also be handy.
Some of the Cruz people said they planned to vote for Cruz only. That’s the difference between Cruz and Trump people. I couldn’t vote for Cruz, but then if Cruz had won the state, I wouldn’t sign up to be a delegate to take someone else’s place, who could vote for either Cruz or Trump. I wouldn’t be stacking the deck. If for no other reason, it is expensive to be a delegate and I wanted to do it for my candidate, but not for someone I don’t support.
The attitude of some of the Cruz supporters is to steal the election from the people, who stood in lines for hours to vote. I was an election official this year and saw the turn out for myself. I reported to the polls before 6am and didn't leave until almost 11pm. The state also had a huge turn-out for early voting. The people wanted to vote for their candidate and not have their votes nullified by the party elites.
You GOPee types slashed the tires on the Trumpmobile, and then started b*tching about the slashed tires.
The Democrats in Wisconsin crossed over to vote for Cruz to make SURE that the luzer stayed in the race.
And here you all are, swaggering around like it's the Second Coming.
If Cruz was any kind of a threat to the Democrats, they would have popped that greasy little zit last Tuesday.
Trump's their REAL problem. He may still be, despite your best efforts. :)
I guess that means you don’t know who votes on the rules?
It’s the delegates. Which, in any competent campaign, consists largely of supporters of the major candidates.
If you really think the delegates of a candidate who has majority support are going to change the rules so that a majority is no longer sufficient, then you are beyond reasoning with.
I can tell you from my experience as a state delegate, no party boss is going to tell me how to vote. If fact at one convention, we (of pre-cursor tea party movement) through out the party appointed convention chair and voted in our own person. We then voted in our platform! What the Trump Camp and hacks are spreading is that all these Cruz people who are delegates are Trojan horses for the GOPe, will turn on Cruz and elect Paul Ryan. This takes conspiracy beyond credulity.
Trump's own behavior and general unlikeabilty slashed his own tires. It's only those well-meaning, but gullible people in his thrall that don't see him clearly.
The party could never get behind him because he's poison.
Well, I guess that depends on what "playing by the rules" means. Boss Tweed played by the rules, too:
The GOP has rules - not very ethical ones, but rules they be...
The crluzers are the gullible ones. They're standing around, waiting for the check that the GOPee promised them was in the mail. LOL! :)
Unless the delegates are hand-picked by the machine. Lots of money to throw around, you know.
Not everyone who despises trump is a cruz supporter or thinks he’s the second coming. some of us are disgusted with all of the options but will vote for the nominee whomever it is, neither of whom is likely to defeat Hillary in the fractured state of affairs. But to deny Trump’s very real drawbacks and high unfavorability makes his supporters look like mindless drones. far too often the trump supporters start squawking about Ted cruz when someone criticizes trump, when ted cruz is largely irrelevant to the very real criticism of trump. I am still waiting for someone to address the criticism of trump without referencing another candidate.
Yeah, whatever. They have elections at the local and state conventions. The original poster on this thread could have gotten herself/himself elected as a delegate if Trump had bothered to try to organize people. Is she/he “hand picked” by the machine?
The Republican establishment has been working diligently to pump up that very same high unfavorability rating.
Two months ago, the Republicans had the election in the bag with Trump.
You should ask yourself why they didn't want the presidency.
The 2016 presidency and the future direction of the Supreme Court was lying in the middle of the road like a shiny unattached gold piece. All the Republicans had to do was bend over, and pick it up [back Trump for the nomination].
There. How was that? :)
Trump has never polled well for the general election. How this means he had it “in the bag” two months ago is a mystery.
You are being sold a bill of goods. You want to believe.
If Dems were cheating the voters. That’s what I mean, and that’s what everyone knows is happening. Disgraceful.
Who is being cheated? If the voters fail to give one candidate the majority of the delegates, then the delegates have to decide at convention.
What is not understood or accepted about this process?
Two months of ceaseless attacks by his OWN party doesn't raise one of your eyebrows?
The yellow rag National Review published a whole attack issue on Trump. Are you claiming that didn't have any sort of effect nationally?
How about if you and the GOPee [but I repeat myself] had spent those two months building Trump up instead of tearing him down?
You WERE sold a bill of goods. And what's more pathetic - you actually believe it.
You mean the voters that aren’t even asked, polled, or allowed to vote? As in Colorado?
Yep, cheatin’ Ted strikes again. The man has no honor at all.
believe it or not REAL GOP VOTERS dislike trump, with zero connection to the GOP establishment. My friends and family are republicans, just your run of the mill generic republican voters, who cannot stand him. will vote for him in the general bc they will not elect Hillary willingly. But the GOPe is not driving up the negatives, the twitter meltdowns acting like a 2 yo when he’s even remotely criticized, the fact that he has never held a conservative view prior to running for office, THESE are the things that drive up his unfavorability. the trump voters believe they are the only legitimate voters in the electorate, well sorry, that is simply not the case. Trump has garnered what 37% of the vote? the 63% who have not voted for him are every bit as legit.
They got to vote for delegates. Delegates could be pledged to a candidate.
It’s indirect, but it’s still voting. Just like voting for electors in the presidential primary.
Trump’s behavior and switching of positions has cost him votes from the republican electorate. Many republicans, myself included, doubt that he will nominate legitimately conservative Sup Ct candidates. so the gold looks a bit like tarnished brass to some of us. like 67% of us.
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